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Apr 26 2023 09:50pm
Hello, I used to use right-wing or right-leaning with conservative interchangeably. However on another forum, someone said that they are actually different. Just wondering how you guys feel.

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Apr 26 2023 09:55pm


Do you fit this category ? Because a lot of people think he is right wing or far right.

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Apr 26 2023 10:00pm
"Conservative" is a political philosophy
"Left/right" are political affiliations
The two are not synonyms or interchangeable. Someone can hold philosophical ideals and yet throw their lot in with political representation that holds opposing ideals. For example, many muslim americans hold very regressive, conservative ideologies. Ilhan Omar's own family tried to pray-away-the-gay from her brother, the community as a whole believes is very socially conservative and insular and xenophobic and so on, and yet they're 99% aligned with the 'left' in America. Likewise, "conservative" libertarians who believe in a non-interventionalist small government that stays out of their social issues can vote for authoritarian corporatist warhawk republicans.

So the differences shouldn't be hard to identify in most scenarios. Someone can be liberal or conservative, they can be left or right, and there are examples for each permutation.
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Apr 26 2023 10:05pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 26 2023 09:00pm)
"Conservative" is a political philosophy
"Left/right" are political affiliations
The two are not synonyms or interchangeable. Someone can hold philosophical ideals and yet throw their lot in with political representation that holds opposing ideals. For example, many muslim americans hold very regressive, conservative ideologies. Ilhan Omar's own family tried to pray-away-the-gay from her brother, the community as a whole believes is very socially conservative and insular and xenophobic and so on, and yet they're 99% aligned with the 'left' in America. Likewise, "conservative" libertarians who believe in a non-interventionalist small government that stays out of their social issues can vote for authoritarian corporatist warhawk republicans.

So the differences shouldn't be hard to identify in most scenarios. Someone can be liberal or conservative, they can be left or right, and there are examples for each permutation.


because they know which political party would bring down america.
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Apr 26 2023 10:15pm
I give you an example in regards to right leaning or right wing . And it also depends on which country , culture and society you might be residing in.

Most people Might and will consider the below thread and poster in Pard as being far right. Specifically Religious Far Right.

But me being a conservative, I do not agree with the Poster's statements.


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=100501750&f=119

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 26 2023 10:16pm
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Apr 26 2023 10:30pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 26 2023 09:00pm)
"Conservative" is a political philosophy
"Left/right" are political affiliations
The two are not synonyms or interchangeable. Someone can hold philosophical ideals and yet throw their lot in with political representation that holds opposing ideals. For example, many muslim americans hold very regressive, conservative ideologies. Ilhan Omar's own family tried to pray-away-the-gay from her brother, the community as a whole believes is very socially conservative and insular and xenophobic and so on, and yet they're 99% aligned with the 'left' in America. Likewise, "conservative" libertarians who believe in a non-interventionalist small government that stays out of their social issues can vote for authoritarian corporatist warhawk republicans.

So the differences shouldn't be hard to identify in most scenarios. Someone can be liberal or conservative, they can be left or right, and there are examples for each permutation.


Thanks for the post, goom.

So, what would be an example of a liberal, yet right-leaning person? Also, given what you have observed in this forum, do you think I am more right-leaning, or conservative?
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Apr 26 2023 10:37pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Apr 26 2023 09:30pm)
Thanks for the post, goom.

So, what would be an example of a liberal, yet right-leaning person? Also, given what you have observed in this forum, do you think I am more right-leaning, or conservative?


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Apr 26 2023 10:46pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Apr 26 2023 11:30pm)
Thanks for the post, goom.

So, what would be an example of a liberal, yet right-leaning person?




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Also, given what you have observed in this forum, do you think I am more right-leaning, or conservative?


At first I mostly ignored usernames until I realized the_snipa is an anagram for penis_hat and saucy got annoying enough to recognize, but then folks started changing their names and I barely pay attention anymore
I didn't even notice when JIDF posters disappeared and that was like 12 years ago
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Apr 26 2023 11:07pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Apr 2023 06:00)
"Conservative" is a political philosophy
"Left/right" are political affiliations
The two are not synonyms or interchangeable. Someone can hold philosophical ideals and yet throw their lot in with political representation that holds opposing ideals. For example, many muslim americans hold very regressive, conservative ideologies. Ilhan Omar's own family tried to pray-away-the-gay from her brother, the community as a whole believes is very socially conservative and insular and xenophobic and so on, and yet they're 99% aligned with the 'left' in America. Likewise, "conservative" libertarians who believe in a non-interventionalist small government that stays out of their social issues can vote for authoritarian corporatist warhawk republicans.

So the differences shouldn't be hard to identify in most scenarios. Someone can be liberal or conservative, they can be left or right, and there are examples for each permutation.


We have to further distinguish between "left/right" as categories describing a person or party's relative positon on political issues, and actual political affiliation in the sense of partisanship. In a highly polarized two-party system like in the US, where ideological sorting is almost perfect, this is a moot point. It does, however, make a big difference in places with a multiparty system.

For example, in Germany (where we have six major parties), the Greens are the 2nd most leftist party on social issues, but also the 2nd most hawkish party on foreign policy. Their ideology is best described as "authoritarian progressivism" and their policies tend to disproportionately hurt the poor and working class. Thus, no 'left' or 'right' label accurately captures where they stand in our political system.
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Apr 26 2023 11:17pm
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We have to further distinguish between "left/right" as categories describing a person or party's relative positon on political issues, and actual political affiliation in the sense of partisanship. In a highly polarized two-party system like in the US, where ideological sorting is almost perfect, this is a moot point. It does, however, make a big difference in places with a multiparty system.

For example, in Germany (where we have six major parties), the Greens are the 2nd most leftist party on social issues, but also the 2nd most hawkish party on foreign policy. Their ideology is best described as "authoritarian progressivism" and their policies tend to disproportionately hurt the poor and working class. Thus, no 'left' or 'right' label accurately captures where they stand in our political system.


Just need to clarify something from you since I know you are from Germany. The Greens in Germany are considered very Pro American ?
There is a few Taiwan News Channel that I watch regularly and they labeled the German greens as Pro American Party.
SET News , TVBS and CTI news Taiwan.
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