the analogy isn't meant to be a justification, I said it's a pedagogical analogy. do you understand what that means?
your own worldview relies entirely on intangible concepts. can you touch logic? can you touch truth? you have never justified these universal transcendentals within your own materialist, secular framework and you never can and every time I bring this up you cower. however, my worldview does ground these universals that you just take for granted.
I never said because Christianity works a certain way it is true or whatever strawman that was, I wasn't even arguing for the validity, I was simply explaining how the worldview works.
my philosophy is not "circular god of gaps".
I did not speak of God's nature, His nature is unknowable, we know good by His operations in the world. Good itself is not some standard unrelated to God, goodness is God.
God is the ultimate grounding for reality, of course goodness itself is grounded in Him.
this is an ontological grounding, not a semantic tautology like your bachelor example. it identifies the ultimate source of reality with the ultimate standard of perfection. if you find that meaningless, it is a personal conceptual limitation on your end, not a logical flaw in the philosophy.
"We have no way of knowing why or ability to rationalize good vs evil." - show that this is the case. justify this claim.
Describing your philosophy with analogies is a fruitless exercise when you cannot prove/show that it matches reality its like a delusional guy who describes a world where every woman attracted to him like bees to flowers.
I am saying Christianity is your delusion/theoretical fairytale.
Let me show you how.
If God's nature is "unknowable" then you just contradicted yourself from previous post claiming to know that god is good or that goodness is god.
QUOTE=majorblood,Jul 10 2026 08:36pm,691964665,109393037] we are referring to how we know God, in His operations we know He is Good.[/QUOTE] that is incoherent.
Claiming goodness is god makes goodness lose its meaning because if God possess any nature like hate or cruelty then it would be labeled as "good" by definition. And since you conceeded that gods nature is "unknowable" then neither is our ability know what is good. Which means even if we grant that God grounds morality ontologically, humans lack the epistemic access required to know or verify that ground. This renders the grounding practically useless for moral guidance.
This post was edited by addone on Jul 11 2026 03:51am