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Feb 16 2026 05:00pm
Christians clearly do.

Since I repeatedly stated that I do not believe in creation from nothing or some kind of magical event. I can very much critique those people who do.
Even if I did believe in a magical explanations (which I don't) of some kind that wouldn't stop me from making judgements on christian magical explanation.
But that would be fruitless exercise since we would just be swapping bullshit stories.


"I believe something that is perfectly rational and makes way more sense than what you believe... but I can't tell you what it is. Just trust me."
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Feb 16 2026 05:01pm
"I believe something that is perfectly rational and makes way more sense than what you believe... but I can't tell you what it is. Just trust me."


he earlier stated to believe that all matter, laws of physics, life itself is eternal and uncreated. he's a polytheist essentially
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Feb 16 2026 05:02pm
you have no justification for your belief, you are simply asserting things on faith so any religious person can say they have the same grounding as you

how do you not understand this


What am I asserting on faith exactly?
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Feb 16 2026 05:03pm
What am I asserting on faith exactly?


that the universe did not have a beginning and is uncreated/eternal or that it has an origin that is not "nothing". the same for the transcendental necessary things like "truth" "logic" etc
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Feb 16 2026 05:19pm
that the universe did not have a beginning and is uncreated/eternal or that it has an origin that is not "nothing". the same for the transcendental necessary things like "truth" "logic" etc


Need to find the exact quote of what I said in context. Because I am pretty sure I said it as a hypothetical. To counter your logic if you are willing to accept god always to have existed why can't you accept the universe to have always existed by the same token. Essentially eliminating the need to have a god in the first place.
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Feb 16 2026 05:30pm
If you aren't here to prove if god is real then you are in the wrong thread bud. I am testing the logic and validity of christian beliefs here and instead of acknowledging that they are ridiculous, illogical and proofless they double down and engage in whataboutism.
This is a concession that you have abandoned your weak baseless argument and in a bitter attempt of cope you deflect with yea but but what about gravity cry cry cry....

Which part of the my beliefs are irrelevant to proving christian beliefs did you not understand? My personal opinion on gravity right or wrong shouldn't in any way influence you to provide me the validity if magical jesus existed and the claim there was a 950 year old man who gathered 2 of every kind of animal onto a boat and survived a global flood for like a year. So either stick to the topic or bounce




You know you failed to prove your beliefs so you begin coping and attack other people's beliefs/character in retaliation.

Yea but your belief doesn't provide an alternative
Yea but your belief might be wrong
Yea but you are unreasonable bla bla bla

When will you get - this isn't about belief comparisons who is more right or less right which belief has more proof.
No this is about proving your own and if you cannot then you need to acknowledge that they are fake. But you can't do that because you would be embarrassed, which means you prioritize your feelings over truth.

If you would like to make a separate topic on my personal beliefs we can discuss them there otherwise stop deflecting from your own.


lets say someone pours milk on some cereal. you walk up and say "thats a dum idea? the other person says "you got a better idea" and you say "it doesnt matter" then ev1 says "lol get out clown"

in the meantime my beliefs delivered me from alcoholism which is more real to me then you are.

i think your a satanist, therefore you are actually a believer and this is just a "job or hobby or something stupid like that

Ezekiel 36:25
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25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

idols are the things you have before God what you worship instead of God like alchol and drugs. even in the world, getting off these things is seen as getting clean

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Need to find the exact quote of what I said in context. Because I am pretty sure I said it as a hypothetical. To counter your logic if you are willing to accept god always to have existed why can't you accept the universe to have always existed by the same token. Essentially eliminating the need to have a god in the first place.


because it does not give justification for humans to have the possibility of knowledge, everything is simply a determined series of events by chemistry/physics. there is no choice, belief, knowledge, etc.

also if it were the case that the universe was eternal you would need to explain how we can currently observe stars as all stars should have burned out by an infinite amount of time
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Feb 16 2026 05:55pm
Christians clearly do.

Since I repeatedly stated that I do not believe in creation from nothing or some kind of magical event. I can very much critique those people who do.
Even if I did believe in a magical explanation (which I don't) that wouldn't stop me from making judgements on christian magical explanation.
But that would be fruitless exercise since we would just be swapping bullshit stories.


the complexity of living systems (life) and interdependence. instead of magic couldnt it be from a superior intellect ?
which some call God.


you have no justification for your belief, you are simply asserting things on faith so any religious person can say they have the same grounding as you

how do you not understand this


perhaps scripture says he is willingly ignorant?
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Feb 16 2026 08:11pm
because it does not give justification for humans to have the possibility of knowledge, everything is simply a determined series of events by chemistry/physics. there is no choice, belief, knowledge, etc.

also if it were the case that the universe was eternal you would need to explain how we can currently observe stars as all stars should have burned out by an infinite amount of time


Does it matter what the justification is? We got self determination, creativity and ability to do as we please. Why are you trying to fill in the gaps of our knowledge with this magical being called god? I don't get the obsession.
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Feb 16 2026 09:02pm
Does it matter what the justification is? We got self determination, creativity and ability to do as we please. Why are you trying to fill in the gaps of our knowledge with this magical being called god? I don't get the obsession.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contagion

Yes, with our creation came free will. Its unfortunate you can't see the necessity for God, if "we got self determination, creativity, and ability to do as we please". It's those traits of Man that create a blessed world or a hellish one. Believing in the divine and striving to achieve it on Earth is what blesses our world. Allowing the creativity and determination of the wicked allows for the latter.

The proof is in the pudding. Shits going to get a whole lot worse here on Earth unless the conversation shifts to a holistic one.
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