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Jan 29 2026 05:55pm
prayer is communication, not just a way to get things you want like a vending machine, God is personal and has a prescriptive purpose for your life. Prayer is to align yourself with God's will, to sort yourself out, not to just get things you want from God. The most common prayer is "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner", said in many different ways but it's always the same concept. Sin isn't a legal on/off switch that God just has to punish you for, sin is a moral sickness we are ill with and God is the healer offering to heal you if you willingly participate. The point of prayer is to align yourself with God, to seek the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and to express that same will on others. To forgive those who trespass you, as you are to be forgiven by your heavenly Father.

Praying for the sick is good, and physical death is not the end. Death, decay, illness, are not God's design, but a consequence of our decision to distance ourself from the provider of Life and in that distance our good nature became tainted. I would not despair that your loved ones have died, though it may be hard now, rejoice for they are with the Lord. Your prayers do heal, your participation with the divine life is how you become good ontologically, how you heal the flawed human nature(by participating in what Christ accomplished to be clear, it is not something you do alone without God. There is no man-made salvation, it is only in willingly participating with Him) In other words, you don't just 'do' good things to please God, you stay close to God so that His goodness actually starts to live inside you and change what you are.

It is only through a good God we can become good ourselves, else if there is no good God there is no real "good", just a preference to not murder, and everything is a meaningless accident that we cannot even know.


what I said above might be complicated or not properly explained, if you have other questions or want to take apart the idea go ahead and i'll respond


Like shit bro a VENDING MACHINE??!

People beg for one more day with their loved ones, "God please give me one more day with my child." And then they die IMMEDIATELY. And you have the fucking audacity to liken that to banging and rolling on a vending machine.

Well at least they're in a better place huh? At least they're with God who loves them so fucking much. You're really going to get me to turn back with this attitude.
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Jan 29 2026 06:02pm
So tell me, why should God appear before you and what outcome would that achieve?


Same reason why a nigerian prince needs to provide legitimate proof he isn't a scammer.

You expect people to be gullible as you to just take something at its word. Not going to happen. You make extraordinary claims about this magical being creating the universe, resurrecting people from the dead, drowning the entire planet with water etc etc yet dare to ask why do I require proof? Bro you are in a cult trying to give me a sip of your Kool aide, I am not buying it. I think you better admit that it's a fake religion and is built on a fictional book. I don't mind you using it as some kind of inspiration like Shakespeare or Lotr trilogy but don't tell me it's 100% real.
No more lies, either you have the proof or stop talking.
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Jan 29 2026 08:29pm
Wake me up when you have that proof and its put on display for us to examine.

Everyone uses judgement to determine what is good and bad for them, some people are just in denial or think that they don't.

You said prayer is about aligning yourself to "his will" and "prayer is communication, not just a way to get things you want like a vending machine"
Which means there is at least 2 components to prayer.
1 Getting what you want like asking a genie to grant you wishes
2 talking therapy, coping mechanism

When you are asking this invisible wizard to have mercy on you. You are still demanding he give you something you do not possess. Like a needy child constantly nagging the genie about your insecurities, save me from x, give you strength to fight demons In your head, deliver you from evil, help your Aunt Maggie to give up meth......etc
When that doesn't work you begin coping and accepting "it is what it is" its part of Devine plan and tell yourself you are just "aligning" yourself.

What i am asking is why pray in the first place? Seems like praying is cope for slow people who didn't understand the "gods will is unchangeable and cannot be thwarted"
So either prayer is futile or redundant pick one.

no you don't understand my position, there is no prayer for a genie granting reward.

the purpose of prayer is to align with Him

This post was edited by majorblood on Jan 29 2026 08:31pm
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Like shit bro a VENDING MACHINE??!

People beg for one more day with their loved ones, "God please give me one more day with my child." And then they die IMMEDIATELY. And you have the fucking audacity to liken that to banging and rolling on a vending machine.

Well at least they're in a better place huh? At least they're with God who loves them so fucking much. You're really going to get me to turn back with this attitude.


emotional lashing out, it's not my job to convert you because I didn't appease your current emotional status
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Jan 29 2026 09:30pm
You in fact do not have any good arguments trying to disprove the bibles truth.

God's word is just.


Nice argument you got there, it be a shame if someone countered it with "no you are wrong deal with it"

So tell me, why should God appear before you and what outcome would that achieve?


Someone tells you there is some guy who created the universe including people all in 6 days, flooded the entire planet, claims to resurrect people from the dead etc etc and you don't ask questions? What kind of question is that ofc you demand proof. Sounds like a generic religious scam.

How guillible do you have to be in order to believe on word alone? Surely you didnt believe the Nigerian prince that wants to give you a million dollars? Why aren't your alarm bells ringing? Or is it because you have daddy issues that you need some kind of spiritual father figuire to tell you what to do? Maybe you were indoctrinated as a child and now don't know how to live without an imaginary friend?

If this god is real he wouldn't hide for 2000 years. We require proof if you don't have it you are liable for false advertising and religion needs to be charged with tax fraud amongst other crimes.
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Jan 29 2026 09:35pm
emotional lashing out, it's not my job to convert you because I didn't appease your current emotional status


Like don't give up now you were sooooo close.

Just imagine you said that to someone who's child actually died. And they did try to pray. -1 christain.



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Jan 29 2026 09:50pm
Like don't give up now you were sooooo close.

Just imagine you said that to someone who's child actually died. And they did try to pray. -1 christain.


no, it's not at all my job to convert you in any way and your emotional responses aren't an argument
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Jan 30 2026 06:20am
Nice argument you got there, it be a shame if someone countered it with "no you are wrong deal with it"



Someone tells you there is some guy who created the universe including people all in 6 days, flooded the entire planet, claims to resurrect people from the dead etc etc and you don't ask questions? What kind of question is that ofc you demand proof. Sounds like a generic religious scam.

How guillible do you have to be in order to believe on word alone? Surely you didnt believe the Nigerian prince that wants to give you a million dollars? Why aren't your alarm bells ringing? Or is it because you have daddy issues that you need some kind of spiritual father figuire to tell you what to do? Maybe you were indoctrinated as a child and now don't know how to live without an imaginary friend?

If this god is real he wouldn't hide for 2000 years. We require proof if you don't have it you are liable for false advertising and religion needs to be charged with tax fraud amongst other crimes.


How far would one be willing to go for a lie? People have died for their beliefs that Jesus died and rose again. Let's look at the 12 Apostles and how they met their fates:

Paul - Beheaded
Peter - Crucified upside down
Andrew - Crucified
Thomas - Pierced with spears
Philip - arrested and cruelly put to death
Matthew - Stabbed to death
Bartholomew - Martyred
James - Stoned and then clubbed to death
Simon - Killed after refusing to sacrifice to the sun god
Matthias - Burned
Thaddeus - Arrows
John - Natural death from old age

These people died for their beliefs. If they were preaching a lie, would they have been willing to die for a lie? If you were about to be sentenced to hanging you may make it as far as the steps then change your mind and admit that it was all a lie, just to save yourself.

These people died for the truth and they were willing to go to the grave for it. Nobody would die for a lie. I have listened to many testimonies. People say that they were brought up in a Christian household but when they reached the age of 15-18 they started questioning whether everything they were taught is actually true. They started asking questions and needed further clarification. They go to University Bible Study groups and were able to ask those questions for themselves. Their own thoughts, their own minds. I don't see that as indoctrinated. They were allowed to think for themselves and ask questions. Just like you asked a question about the Genealogy and you received your answer.

You say if God is real then...You are creating God in your own image. That is a dangerous thing to do. Much of what the Lord does, he will only do once.

Hebrews 10:26-27 ESV

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."

You are waiting for no reason. The one, perfect sacrifice has been made. You are not going to get anything else. You don't need it. All you need is Jesus.

Remember that nobody would die for a lie but the Apostles died for their beliefs about Jesus that they were all willing to go to the grave over it.
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Jan 30 2026 06:37am
Nice argument you got there, it be a shame if someone countered it with "no you are wrong deal with it"



Someone tells you there is some guy who created the universe including people all in 6 days, flooded the entire planet, claims to resurrect people from the dead etc etc and you don't ask questions? What kind of question is that ofc you demand proof. Sounds like a generic religious scam.

How guillible do you have to be in order to believe on word alone? Surely you didnt believe the Nigerian prince that wants to give you a million dollars? Why aren't your alarm bells ringing? Or is it because you have daddy issues that you need some kind of spiritual father figuire to tell you what to do? Maybe you were indoctrinated as a child and now don't know how to live without an imaginary friend?

If this god is real he wouldn't hide for 2000 years. We require proof if you don't have it you are liable for false advertising and religion needs to be charged with tax fraud amongst other crimes.


Says Mr. Facebook memes and ai.

As if those were ever counter arguments to begin with.

You'll never disprove the truth of God, but keep trying.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Jan 30 2026 06:37am
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Jan 30 2026 06:43am
Like shit bro a VENDING MACHINE??!

People beg for one more day with their loved ones, "God please give me one more day with my child." And then they die IMMEDIATELY. And you have the fucking audacity to liken that to banging and rolling on a vending machine.

Well at least they're in a better place huh? At least they're with God who loves them so fucking much. You're really going to get me to turn back with this attitude.


So much anger and misunderstanding of Jesus.

It's not healthy.
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