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I don't have any issue with it nor does any women on the Left that I've asked about it. Women are just as capable as men in serving in the military.


no, they are not when it comes to combat units, period

you are a fool, if you believe that leftie women like this, they only want equality of outcome and nice jobs with no effort

when it gets dirty 99,9% of them will get the hell out or where are the female oil rig or garbage workers?

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i am getting merkel vibes from these two, flood the country no matter what

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This isn't wrong but our diplomats in China would be hit back tenfold. This is a difficult struggle because China has spies within all of our institutions and I'm not sure that we have the will or means to fight back at this point.


would they hang them if those diplomats were already working for china?
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i am getting merkel vibes from these two, flood the country no matter what


Those were exactly my thoughts. At this rate, the midterms will be a wipeout.
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Those were exactly my thoughts. At this rate, the midterms will be a wipeout.



I'll need to research this because I have no idea. Having said that, nothing will really matter until March of 2022 and even then we probably need to wait until August of 2022 for people to start paying attention. Remember all the stuff that Trump did in early 2017 and early 2019? Me either.
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Those were exactly my thoughts. At this rate, the midterms will be a wipeout.


The way it's looking with Republican voter suppression it will be a wipeout regardless.
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Quote (thundercock @ 27 Jul 2021 21:01)
I'll need to research this because I have no idea. Having said that, nothing will really matter until March of 2022 and even then we probably need to wait until August of 2022 for people to start paying attention. Remember all the stuff that Trump did in early 2017 and early 2019? Me either.


That's the wrong way of looking at things. Trump's actions in 2017 very quickly eroded his support and hardened the opposition against him among large swaths of the population. His actions laid the foundation for his approval ratings to be underwater going into the midterms and the 2020 election, which he both lost. Voters in 2018 or 2020 had a very clear opinion of Trump, whether they like his policies and trust his decisions or not - even when they couldn't name every single event which led to this opinion anymore.


Furthermore, an intentionally open border where trecks of third world foreigners are welcomed (rather than turned away) by border patrol is a horrible image that will burn itself into the mind of voters. Also, it is an ongoing crisis which will not magically disappear, so unless and until the Biden admin actually does something about it, the crisis will still be urgent in March or August of next year.

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The way it's looking with Republican voter suppression it will be a wipeout regardless.

Cutting voting rules back to their pre-pandemic status quo isn't voter suppression.

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Cutting voting rules back to their pre-pandemic status quo isn't voter suppression.


One, of course it is. Two, that's not all they're doing.

They've been actively cutting voting for many years before the pandemic started and they weren't about to stop.

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One, of course it is.

wtf lol

This stance would imply that no expansion of voting modalities can ever be taken back. It would also imply that you consider the 2004/2008/2012/2016 election to have occurred in the presence of large voter suppression because voting was not as easy as it was in 2020.


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Two, that's not all they're doing.

It's the bulk of what they're doing. Sure, some shit goes even further, like the rule that you can't hand water to voters waiting in line in Georgia. Or when the Texas GOP ruled that every county, even a ginormous one like Harris county (Houston) with its 4.7m people, can only have one single ballot dropbox. That shit is actual voter supression and I dont support it.
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That's the wrong way of looking at things. Trump's actions in 2017 very quickly eroded his support and hardened the opposition against him among large swaths of the population. His actions laid the foundation for his approval ratings to be underwater going into the midterms and the 2020 election, which he both lost. Voters in 2018 or 2020 had a very clear opinion of Trump, whether they like his policies and trust his decisions or not - even when they couldn't name every single event which led to this opinion anymore.


Furthermore, an intentionally open border where trecks of third world foreigners are welcomed (rather than turned away) by border patrol is a horrible image that will burn itself into the mind of voters. Also, it is an ongoing crisis which will not magically disappear, so unless and until the Biden admin actually does something about it, the crisis will still be urgent in March or August of next year.


Cutting voting rules back to their pre-pandemic status quo isn't voter suppression.


Why is looking at things the way voters will look at things a bad thing? The VAST majority of people aren't paying attention and the election is the last thing on their mind. The "Muslim Ban" may have galvanized voters a bit but I'm pretty sure that the child separation policy at the border was a much more salient issue for activist voters. Looking at that list, I think it's pretty obvious that the more recent events were much more impactful i.e. Trump at Helsinki pissed more people off than Comey being fired. If inflation gets out of hand by 2022, do you honestly think anyone will care about COVID, stimulus checks, infrastructure spending, etc.

https://millercenter.org/president/trump/key-events

As per voter suppression, I think the Dems are making a mistake here. Voter ID laws, reducing voting hours, etc. won't have a tremendous effect on turnout (maybe up to 1%). The main issue is how nonpartisan offices at the county level are becoming significantly more partisan and the likelihood of people being disenfranchised AFTER the election is significantly higher. I think it's incredibly disingenuous and naive to say that "elections are going back to pre-covid levels."
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