thank god mexico opened the border with gaza

Obama is kind of the perfect example. He got elected making hugely progressive promises largely outside of the DNC. His force of charisma forced them to take him seriously but they fought him most of the way until it was obvious that he was the strongest candidate. Then he got into office and did basically nothing to follow up on those promises. He constantly caved to Republicans and tried to negotiate in good faith even though it was insanely obvious they weren't going to budge. He could have kept taking his message to the people and forced through some change. Gotten rid of the fillibuster and passed actually progressive legislation that he was elected to pass. Then when he failed to do anything we had Republican wave years..... and then..... fucking Donald Trump wins in a landslide because the 2 time Obama voters realized "hope and change" was a lie and the only real chance to change the system was to burn it down with a wild card.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 9 2024 01:44pm

Democrats barely held 60 senate seats for a short time period. With so many institutionalists in the chamber, there was no way they get rid of the filibuster, which in turn means that a majority of his progressive policy promises were never going to pass, no matter how much public pressure he would have tried to unleash.

You're also going for a convenient but simplistic rationalization of Trump's rise if you blame it exclusively on disillusioned voters wanting unspecific change for the sake of change. In reality, Obama in 2008 held common sense positions on most social and cultural issues, on questions of race, gender, immigration, freedom of speech and so on and forth. At some point between 2012 and 2014, the party ostensibly lost its damn mind and started zooming to the left on all these issues - obviously a strategic reaction to the occupy wall street protests, a transparent attempt at replacing class conflict with cultural issues as the primary fault line in American politics. The fabled "Obama-Trump"-voters which decided 2016 were the former Democrats they alienated and left behind by their (cultural) lurch to the left. Trump picking these voters up had a ton to do with his specific policy positions and those of the new Democratic mainstream, it wasn't just them trying to throw a proverbial grenade into DC.

Btw, Trump didn't win in a landslide in 2016, he got lucky and barely eked out a win. His lack of a clear mandate stymied his entire presidency.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 9 2024 02:03pm

vivek for president

I use "landslide" here as a fluorish because he won both the house and senate as well, and under normal circumstances would have gotten blown TF out.

Obama did not really try to get those institutionalists over. He didn't put much pressure behind the scenes to make real change despite having the obvious mandate to do exactly that. This is the defeatist element that's so pervasive in American politics. Obama was the hottest shit possible in 2009 and had a total mandate to change the system. Instead of trying to do that by pressuring his party to make bigger changes when he had the chance, and taking it to the American people for support, he let the institutionalists get in his way.

That's the big problem with Obama. He promised big and barely tried once he got elected. He took the mandate he was given and said "Okay, now that the election is over let's just calm down and let slow gradual change take its natural course".


You are bringing up the culture war talking points because you just kind of go with whatever the Republican talking point is, but Democrats have never and still don't make much movement on the cultural issues. They barely support gay marriage as a policy and never made any attempts to enshrine any of the culture war stuff into law. Even now with abortion, Democrats knew the ruling was coming for months and did fuck all to prepare or bring the issue to the people. Democrats preference is for culture war issues to die. They are constantly brought up by Republicans because it's the only way they win. You yourself spent months harping about CRT when it was literally one guy on Fox News who outright admitted he was fabricating the problem for culture war reasons.

Look at the trans subject. Who keeps that shit in public view? Yeah... not Democrats. DeSantis was building his entire presidential case on it, and the concerted effort of right wing groups to label all trans people as groomers was definitely not in response to Democrats because they haven't done shit for trans rights.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 9 2024 03:57pm

he dropped out and now backs thaat guy whos the daddy of the lefties

This is alternative history, as one only has to look at the defections, revolts, and purges of left-leaning wrong-thinkers over the past few years to see. JK Rowling was not branded a "fascist" (and I've had close family tell me the same) for nothing, she expressed a traditionally feminist viewpoint and the Democratic base wanted to crucify her for it. In the Harvard case, a sub-par academic who plagiarized the vast majority of her scant scholarly work was promoted to head the entire university as a result of her "culture war" views and impressive gene record. Hitler himself would have been proud. The fact of the matter is that the Democratic party has moved substantially to the left culturally, while sliding towards the center economically. It's a shift which Obama pioneered, and for a time it was economically successful. Unfortunately, it also led to Trump and collapsing Democratic support among blue-collar voters (first) and Hispanics (second), and will in all likelihood destroy the Democratic party over the next few cycles if it doesn't adjust.

... says the guy I haven't seen stray from leftist orthodoxy in years, to the guy who has vocally disagreed with Republicans on various big issues, like Ukaine, vaccines, Jan 6 and abortion.



1) You're delusional if you truly believe that. 2) What Democrats actually want is for their lurch to the left on cultural issues to become the new normal without pushback. Yes, they want culture war issues to die... as a result of the other side capitulating on them.

It aren't Republicans who want biological males to be eligible for female athletic competition, it aren't Republicans who place tampon dispensers in men's restrooms, it aren't Republicans who want individuals with a dick to be granted access to girl's dressing rooms, it weren't Republicans who tried to sweep it under the rug when this policy led to a rape at a school in northern Virginia, it weren't Republicans who labeled furious parents complaining about this incident as "domestic terrorists".

Likewise, it is not the Republican side which is pushing "criminal justice reform" in the sense of not prosecuting all sorts of crime, from shoplifting over drugdealing to squatting and battery, which turns an increasing number of inner cities into hellholes. It is not the Republican side which abuses asylum laws as a loophole to enable unlimited mass immigration. It is not the Republican side which engages in neo-segregationism by holding race-specific corporate workshops, college graduation ceremonies, advocating for race-based preferential treatment etc.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 10 2024 02:08am

Biden, the great uniter, reminding us that he pledged to be a president for everybody, whether you live in a red state or a green state:

https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1755704692212928883

As much fun as it is to mock Biden mental fitness, it's a disservice to the citizens that he still leads. A great case for things such as term limits or maximum allowable age. At the very least, POTUS needs maintain some basic competency test. Dude has nuclear level executive discretion among other top tier decisions making powers that impact all citizens. Most other professionals who have discretion over choices that can result in death have all sorts of competency elements, of physical fitness requirements.

Term limits and max age to run is retirement cutoff age. No Biden, no Trump

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Feb 10 2024 04:53am