Yea and I think that’s what a lot of people are coming around to realize. Correct me if I’m wrong but RFK is running as an independent because the Democrat party wouldn’t get behind him? If that’s the case I mean how could RFK be so antithetical to “American Democracy or the American way of life”. You only have to hear a few speeches from RFK to see he’s very knowledgeable and pretty charismatic for a guy who’s lost his actual voice. If we get 4 more years of Biden I don’t think America will just collapse and I don’t think if Trump gets back in America is going to rise like a “Phoenix out of the ashes”.

If I cast my first presidential vote and it’s for RFK is it a total waste? Like I said I’m from Illinois and I vote in local elections but have never voted in a presidential. State bleeds blue I don’t feel like if I voted for Trump or RFK I’m making some sort of “political statement” seems like I’d just be wasting my time since my state will give all its electoral votes to the democratic nominee no matter who it is?

That attitude is why they have contiued to adopt more anti-American policies. Every word you speak should be the exact opposite of the Democratic platform.

You push collapse of our political system. Not merely people with competing interests being held in abeyance of disaster.

RFK is running as an independent because he's, let's be frank, kinda crazy and ineffectual. Whether you like it or not, third parties do not have a chance of winning in America, just spoiling. Until we change the first past the post system this will always be the case.

Similarly, if you aren't in a swing state your individual vote doesn't really matter. You won't be making a statement by voting third party that anybody will ever hear.

The only thing to do is to vote the person you want to win more than the other. In a first past the post system, that's what you do. If you want to change the system, you support that between elections. Voting is the minimum, not the end-all.

they never gave a chit about it............. tIlL tRuMp HaD sOmE ...............then it was REEEEEEEEEing all over the place

So the news now is that Biden basically went into a rage & suffered a mental breakdown live while talking about the special counsel's report and defending his memory? What's going on here

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Yup worse than you think watch the entire thing. Every American should.

That was cringe, seen some in background while Putin laying out 40 minute history lesson. Biden can't arrange a paragraph in contrast.

... So special counsel gives him a pass because he is too incompetent to stand jury trial?

my thought is bogus dude is part of ritual humiliation, further the agenda. also tests the power of TDS programing. i wont watch the whole thing because i believe hes just part of the mind game and there is nothing to really learn from it.

Remember when a young, fresh, inspiring senator running on a platform of change and hope won the presidency for Democrats back in 2008? Obama was the leader and face of the Democratic party for 8 years, even today, it still is a party in his image. But the Democratic party withered at the local and state level during his tenure and no successors whatsoever were built up during his era. The best they could come up with after he was termed out were Hillary and Joe, yikes.



FPTP voting systems actually work rather well in countries with a parliamentary system like the UK or Canada, they're not limited to two parties and regional differences can be adequately captured. Even in a presidential system, although less than ideal, it could work if the primary process within the parties wasn't broken.