Hilarious and sad. Biden just told a story about how he talked to "German chancellor (Helmut) Kohl" about the horrors of Jan 6 when they met at a conference in 2021. (Kohl died in 2017 and had been out of office since 1998.)
We're clearly past the "onset"-stage of his dementia now...

and yet nobody is ever charged unless they actively impede the return of those documents.

Once Trump was out of office he no longer had that power, and if he can "think them declassified" then Biden can think they re-classified and Trump is still on the hook.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 8 2024 03:31pm

Numerous people have been charged with mishandling classified documents in the past, either without documents to return / impede their return (ex Petraeus) or without any element of impeding return or lying to investigators (ex Benjamin Pierce Bishop)
in Bishop's case for example, he simply had an affair with a Chinese honey pot and gave her documents. The government never alleged he obstructed their investigation, he admitted to it all
in another case, reservist Bryan Nishimura was questioned by naval intelligence and admitted that he had mishandled classified documents. They found no evidence he either obstructed their investigation or intended to distribute them to anyone


How is this is ANY way more incriminating then what Joe Biden did? The counsel found Joe Biden disclosed documents to people, and that Nishimura did not:
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sacramento/news/press-releases/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials

>Nishimura’s actions came to light in early 2012, when he admitted to Naval personnel that he had handled classified materials inappropriately. Nishimura later admitted that, following his statement to Naval personnel, he destroyed a large quantity of classified materials he had maintained in his home. Despite that, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched Nishimura’s home in May 2012, agents recovered numerous classified materials in digital and hard copy forms. The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

Please explain



Trump had a plenary power of declassification and argues that he had a standing order to declassify any document he took home. Nobody has authority to contradict that claim, and a court cannot impose a retroactive standard on a president to exercise his plenary powers, much less incriminate him.

"This guy didn't obstruct he just turned over documents to a foreign spy" is not the winning argument you think it is.

This has been testifed about many times. Trump had no such order. It also isn't retroactive for Biden to re-classify them with his mind. He was the current president.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 8 2024 04:38pm

"he didn't obstruct and didn't turn over documents and nobody else ever saw them and all he did is bring them to his home and cooperate with investigators"
= charged and convicted

Again, you're trying to cherry pick by ignoring the precedents. The DoJ has already charged and convicted people in cases where there existed less aggravating factors than Joe Biden's case

Giving documents to a Chinese honeypot is not a less aggravating factor.

Again I just laid out the example you actively ignored twice


in another case, reservist Bryan Nishimura was questioned by naval intelligence and admitted that he had mishandled classified documents. They found no evidence he either obstructed their investigation or intended to distribute them to anyone


How is this is ANY way more incriminating then what Joe Biden did? The counsel found Joe Biden disclosed documents to people, and that Nishimura did not:
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sacramento/news/press-releases/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials

>Nishimura’s actions came to light in early 2012, when he admitted to Naval personnel that he had handled classified materials inappropriately. Nishimura later admitted that, following his statement to Naval personnel, he destroyed a large quantity of classified materials he had maintained in his home. Despite that, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched Nishimura’s home in May 2012, agents recovered numerous classified materials in digital and hard copy forms. The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

Sounds like he claimed he destroyed the material but didn't.

Which sounds like he wasn't being forthright

Thats not even close. He told investigators he had brought home documents and destroyed them by throwing them into a lake. Which is what he did. He tried to dispose of them so there would be no security risk. The government has their own process for shredding documents and didnt approve, and fished the documents back out of the lake so they could charge him with still having them.

How could it be more innocent? He cooperated and was forthright AND he tried to dispose of documents proactively. He shared them with nobody. Joe Biden wilfully retained documents and shared them with people illegally.