Was Trump treated unfairly? Abso-fucking-lutely! Did he make it very easy for his opponents to smear him? 100%. Is he to blame for still being unable to counter the campaign against him in year 4 of his presidency? Also yes.

The people that were undermining the presidency should all be in prison.

A few of them yes, many others, no. But anyway, none of this excuses Trump's inability to adapt to the headwinds he was facing.

Mate, there's no adapting to the onslaught. It doesn't really matter how he would have handled Covid, which probably is the single most impactful reason he lost when it was going to be framed as a failure regardless.

Close borders with China initially? Xenophobic.
Throw money at vaccines? "They aren't safe, are you really going to take a rushed vaccine by Trump"?
You don't want to completely shut down the country? "You're killing people"


Point is even things that we can look back and say okay yeah that was most likely the right thing to do were spammed as wrong initially, and vice versa.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 22 2024 02:14pm

This to me is really equivalent to blaming the victim which isn't very fair to Trump

Its like if a group of people gangs up on and robs someone, it would be crazy to blame the victim for not being strong enough to fight them all off.

My point is that Trump failed to be an effective messenger for his own cause. And he kept shooting himself in the foot. And kept making it really easy for his opponents to frame him as inept and/or inflammatory.

i'd only say i draw a distinction between a figurehead who is that way due to mental capacity and one who is that way due to bureaucracy. red tape and brain fog aren't the same thing.

a good demonstrable difference is Trump would be a dictator if he could, ruling as the head of a small cabal. biden would just be there.

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1749813016584142876

It's true Biden appears/sounds older, but if we're in the business of comparing the two, Trump has a lot of similar mental gaffes, plus he's clearly nuts.

This is cult revisionist history.

Russiagate revealed a ton of damning information about Trump and his cronies, stuff that would sink any normal presidency where the supporters aren't cult members. The campaign colluded with Russia, based on the Republican-led Senate Intel report(Manafort passing a Russian intel agent internal campaign polling data in the midst of an attack on our election from Russia). Trump and his cronies pursued a deal for a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Kushner, Don. Jr, and Manafort tried to conspire with Russia to receive dirt on Hillary. That said, some in the media want too far with their predictions and speculation, that's absolutely true. But people who are interested in the truth need to acknowledge my first point before they obsess over the second point, otherwise your reality is skewed.

The problem with discussing issues with someone in a cult is there can't be any acknowledgement of shortcoming with the leader. Trump pretended COVID was no big deal, he had ridiculous press conferences talking about it(spreading wrong information), he refused to mask in public(which at the time was deemed sound advice), he got the vaccine but refused to do it publicly, etc. Trump's stance on COVID could've been in line with his nativist weirdness about foreigners trying to poison our blood. Or, he could've actually led in the moment, speaking hard truths, and pushing his supporters(and propagandists) to support the vaccine that he helped facilitate through Operation Warp Speed. He failed. It's true that it was going to be bad regardless of the response from the president, but I think unless you are an anti-science, anti-vax nutjob, it's obvious he failed the moment.

But this is always the cult logic. Trump cannot fail, he can only be failed, or be unfairly treated. The blame cannot be placed on the dear leader.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 24 2024 07:12pm

Didn’t read. Sorry can’t take anything you say seriously. You’re basically flat earther territory with the Russia gate nonsense you’ve spammed for years.