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May 27 2020 10:46am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 27 2020 09:32am)
Harris was meme'd into oblivion on black twitter for her imprisonment of black criminals.

many on the far left see even police pretense in poor neighborhoods as oppression.

she's about as center as anyone was on that stage, she just mixed in a few cheap ploys like challenging Biden's 40 year old record on busing in an attempt to stop the bleeding of black votes.


She was a DA and an Attorney General in an area with super high crime rates. She didn't "single out" any race. She did her best to follow the practice of "blind justice".

Her record when it comes to criminal justice matters is quite impressive, tbh, and garners her a massive amount of respect regardless of partisanship. It's her actual politics that lean extremely far left. From attempting to push the Green New Deal to being an open advocate of "free healthcare" to attacking trump over shutdowns from specified nations where terrorist activities were concerns to the China travel ban to being a prominent member of both the "Russiagate" fiasco and the "Impeachment" fiasco, she's toed the exact same line any socialist from Silicon Valley would expect. Her political career is nonstop far left. Only her legal career shrugs off partisanship.
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May 27 2020 10:52am
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She was a DA and an Attorney General in an area with super high crime rates. She didn't "single out" any race. She did her best to follow the practice of "blind justice".

Her record when it comes to criminal justice matters is quite impressive, tbh, and garners her a massive amount of respect regardless of partisanship. It's her actual politics that lean extremely far left. From attempting to push the Green New Deal to being an open advocate of "free healthcare" to attacking trump over shutdowns from specified nations where terrorist activities were concerns to the China travel ban to being a prominent member of both the "Russiagate" fiasco and the "Impeachment" fiasco, she's toed the exact same line any socialist from Silicon Valley would expect. Her political career is nonstop far left. Only her legal career shrugs off partisanship.


literally not a single example u gave breaks from mainstream democrats. and first debate (she was out by the 4th or so) pandering with broad strokes isn't a coherent platform. she's a centrist democrat looking to barely alter the status quo, similar to pete or biden. u can accept this or not, idk honestly.
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May 27 2020 11:07am
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literally not a single example u gave breaks from mainstream democrats. and first debate (she was out by the 4th or so) pandering with broad strokes isn't a coherent platform. she's a centrist democrat looking to barely alter the status quo, similar to pete or biden. u can accept this or not, idk honestly.


The Green New Deal was denounced by all but 20 far lefties. Dems, independents, libertarians, republicans, everyone denounced the thing as a killer of billions. Likewise "free healthcare" is still not a mainstay. It's easily doable at the state level assuming you wish to tax enough, yet states like California and New York that tax out the ass barely hit middle of the road on healthcare quality. Records show that Dems don't want free healthcare, in a general sense, because none attempt implement it at the state level.

And no, not all Dems went on the Russiagate and Impeachement train. There are still quite a few remaining who have their dignity in tact. But these two issues are the primary examples where it might be considered "more general" among dems. The other two, nah, they're both far left. Regarding the GND, that's so incredibly far left even Venezuela looked at it like, "Bitch, you crazy! Your people'll be coming HERE for a handout if that shit happens!"
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May 27 2020 11:11am
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The Green New Deal was denounced by all but 20 far lefties. Dems, independents, libertarians, republicans, everyone denounced the thing as a killer of billions. Likewise "free healthcare" is still not a mainstay. It's easily doable at the state level assuming you wish to tax enough, yet states like California and New York that tax out the ass barely hit middle of the road on healthcare quality. Records show that Dems don't want free healthcare, in a general sense, because none attempt implement it at the state level.

And no, not all Dems went on the Russiagate and Impeachement train. There are still quite a few remaining who have their dignity in tact. But these two issues are the primary examples where it might be considered "more general" among dems. The other two, nah, they're both far left. Regarding the GND, that's so incredibly far left even Venezuela looked at it like, "Bitch, you crazy! Your people'll be coming HERE for a handout if that shit happens!"


but what you're doing is taking a combination of early primary pandering statements and extending it to a full platform that never got a chance to be formed, and also taking vague statements and extending them to full support.

only a few democrats agreed with putting the green new deal into legislation, the rest gave it a "thats a good goal" treatment and kept it under the party umbrella.

likewise with healthcare it could be just early primary nonsense all the way up to "when i said free, i meant free for the poorest people to start". Biden, mr centrist, is for expanding medicare for the nation's poorest.

i dont think many people on the left were anti-mueller investigation, nor anti impeachment. certainly not most, leaving vague or even outright support in the center left sphere. nanci, chuck, and the rest all supported those. HRC supported it. Biden supported it. etc. all center lefties.
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May 27 2020 11:18am
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but what you're doing is taking a combination of early primary pandering statements and extending it to a full platform that never got a chance to be formed, and also taking vague statements and extending them to full support.

only a few democrats agreed with putting the green new deal into legislation, the rest gave it a "thats a good goal" treatment and kept it under the party umbrella.

likewise with healthcare it could be just early primary nonsense all the way up to "when i said free, i meant free for the poorest people to start". Biden, mr centrist, is for expanding medicare for the nation's poorest.

i dont think many people on the left were anti-mueller investigation, nor anti impeachment. certainly not most, leaving vague or even outright support in the center left sphere. nanci, chuck, and the rest all supported those. HRC supported it. Biden supported it. etc. all center lefties.


"Poorest" is a misnomer. No dem wants the working class to receive free healthcare. They want the working class to pay for healthcare. Free for the 60+ voting bloc and free for the welfare voting bloc is the ideal.

And Harris was a co-author and original proponent of the GND. Don't try to downplay her role. And the majority of Democrats absolutely denounced the GND, don't try to hype up their involvement as "that's a good goal". No, it's not and it wasn't the case.

Wait, did you just claim that the "center left" supported impeachment and russiagate investigation because people who directly profited from the tens of millions pumped into these failed endeavors served on the committees that carried them out?

You must be new to this whole "governmenting" business.

Edit: Give me a job where I get to play with eight figures and insure at least a high six of them land in my pockets and I'll gladly serve on a committee to impeach Trump or try to prove that he's into russian watersports. And laugh at the stupidity of people who would fall for that bullshit.

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May 27 2020 11:24am
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"Poorest" is a misnomer. No dem wants the working class to receive free healthcare. They want the working class to pay for healthcare. Free for the 60+ voting bloc and free for the welfare voting bloc is the ideal.

And Harris was a co-author and original proponent of the GND. Don't try to downplay her role. And the majority of Democrats absolutely denounced the GND, don't try to hype up their involvement as "that's a good goal". No, it's not and it wasn't the case.

Wait, did you just claim that the "center left" supported impeachment and russiagate investigation because people who directly profited from the tens of millions pumped into these failed endeavors served on the committees that carried them out?

You must be new to this whole "governmenting" business.


the authors of the GND knew it was dead on arrival for legislation. Trump was literally the sitting president at the time and any legislation would get an instant veto. It's purpose was never to come to fruition, it was to create a fluff piece to the left demonstrating a direction they wanted to go in. and it was made as a pinata for the right to smash up to further illustrate to leftists that the right isnt interested in even trying. it was a bait and switch, plain and simple. referencing support of it is moot, it was dead on arrival. it was a political ploy, nothing more or less. just an attempt to signal to leftists that conservatives are anti science or some such nonsense.

as to center leftists in politics supporting impeachment and russiagate, yes. they did support it. they'd support anything that brings down Trump even if it was a 1 in a million shot. profiting off of politics is about as center left as you can get. both central spheres profit off of politics. getting money out of politics is a far left platform piece, not center left. u think Biden wants campaign finance reform? lol.


im not new to anything, you're just not demonstrating that either Harris was far left nor that any of her early positions for effect in primary were representative of what her final platform would look like. im gonna be out now, u seem set on her being far left so why should i bother? she isn't, it's boring how clear that is.
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May 27 2020 11:28am
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the authors of the GND knew it was dead on arrival for legislation. Trump was literally the sitting president at the time and any legislation would get an instant veto. It's purpose was never to come to fruition, it was to create a fluff piece to the left demonstrating a direction they wanted to go in. and it was made as a pinata for the right to smash up to further illustrate to leftists that the right isnt interested in even trying. it was a bait and switch, plain and simple. referencing support of it is moot, it was dead on arrival. it was a political ploy, nothing more or less. just an attempt to signal to leftists that conservatives are anti science or some such nonsense.

as to center leftists in politics supporting impeachment and russiagate, yes. they did support it. they'd support anything that brings down Trump even if it was a 1 in a million shot. profiting off of politics is about as center left as you can get. both central spheres profit off of politics. getting money out of politics is a far left platform piece, not center left. u think Biden wants campaign finance reform? lol.


im not new to anything, you're just not demonstrating that either Harris was far left nor that any of her early positions for effect in primary were representative of what her final platform would look like. im gonna be out now, u seem set on her being far left so why should i bother? she isn't, it's boring how clear that is.


Wrong wrong wrong. Even Pelosi and Warren came out and denounced Harris and AOC both for their stupid and childish legislation attempt. Don't try to spin it as somehow it's a magical 4D chess attempt. Also, if Trump thought the bill was popular enough among the majority, he's just stupid enough he might have signed it. "Hey! I made a deal!" But there's no chance it would have gotten to a Veto. It was DOA no matter where it went. It would never have passed house or senate. Trump wasn't even a question. It wasn't a "negotiable" legislation. Trying to say it was "proof the right wouldn't deal" is identical to saying, "We want all republicans to resign immediately from government" and when the right says, "Um, no" claiming that's proof they won't compromise.

Got me so worked up over that I'mma have to take a breather before addressing anything else. What a pile of nonsense. Trying to defend the GND. You're better than that and we both know it.

Edit: So now that I've grabbed a shot and leveled out a bit, the point about "supporting anything that brings down Trump" does NOT apply to most moderate democrats. It DOES apply to pretty much EVERY never trumper, left, right, and center. You're confusing never trumpers as leftists, and that's false. TDS has nothing to do with partisanship or even specific politics. It has to do with an irrational hatred and fear of Trump.

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May 27 2020 11:31am
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Wrong wrong wrong. Even Pelosi and Warren came out and denounced Harris and AOC both for their stupid and childish legislation attempt. Don't try to spin it as somehow it's a magical 4D chess attempt. Also, if Trump thought the bill was popular enough among the majority, he's just stupid enough he might have signed it. "Hey! I made a deal!" But there's no chance it would have gotten to a Veto. It was DOA no matter where it went. It would never have passed house or senate. Trump wasn't even a question. It wasn't a "negotiable" legislation. Trying to say it was "proof the right wouldn't deal" is identical to saying, "We want all republicans to resign immediately from government" and when the right says, "Um, no" claiming that's proof they won't compromise.

Got me so worked up over that I'mma have to take a breather before addressing anything else. What a pile of nonsense. Trying to defend the GND. You're better than that and we both know it.


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May 27 2020 12:31pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ May 27 2020 12:28pm)
Wrong wrong wrong. Even Pelosi and Warren came out and denounced Harris and AOC both for their stupid and childish legislation attempt. Don't try to spin it as somehow it's a magical 4D chess attempt. Also, if Trump thought the bill was popular enough among the majority, he's just stupid enough he might have signed it. "Hey! I made a deal!" But there's no chance it would have gotten to a Veto. It was DOA no matter where it went. It would never have passed house or senate. Trump wasn't even a question. It wasn't a "negotiable" legislation. Trying to say it was "proof the right wouldn't deal" is identical to saying, "We want all republicans to resign immediately from government" and when the right says, "Um, no" claiming that's proof they won't compromise.

Got me so worked up over that I'mma have to take a breather before addressing anything else. What a pile of nonsense. Trying to defend the GND. You're better than that and we both know it.

Edit: So now that I've grabbed a shot and leveled out a bit, the point about "supporting anything that brings down Trump" does NOT apply to most moderate democrats. It DOES apply to pretty much EVERY never trumper, left, right, and center. You're confusing never trumpers as leftists, and that's false. TDS has nothing to do with partisanship or even specific politics. It has to do with an irrational hatred and fear of Trump.


Yes yes, you know everything and were all just children before your greatness
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May 27 2020 12:37pm
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Yes yes, you know everything and were all just children before your greatness


never did i think we'd see the equal to Ghot/Fender in snarky condecension and low number of valid points. they're multiplying.
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