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Mar 16 2016 09:11am
Quote (GamingOn @ Mar 16 2016 09:07am)
Well it is not like we have ever done that before right?

http://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_guantanamo_bay.html


Guantanamo holds non-Us citizens. Prisoners of War which are protected under the Geneva convention not the US Constitution.

Have any substance to throw into the ring other than "we've done it before", perhaps actual logical justification for abhorrent acts rather than simply acknowledging they exist?
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Mar 16 2016 09:14am
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Guantanamo holds non-Us citizens. Prisoners of War which are protected under the Geneva convention not the US Constitution.

Have any substance to throw into the ring other than "we've done it before", perhaps actual logical justification for abhorrent acts rather than simply acknowledging they exist?


Read the bold comments I wrote to what you responded with.
I added more then that.
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#993
Mar 16 2016 09:18am
Quote (GamingOn @ Mar 16 2016 09:14am)
Read the bold comments I wrote to what you responded with.
I added more then that.


Than*
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Mar 16 2016 09:18am
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Read the bold comments I wrote to what you responded with.
I added more then that.


omg. i just read them, are those trolls or just complete ignorance to the legal definitions at play?

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The Japanese were charged with no crime and not put into a prison they were put into camps.


placed in camp against will = imprisonment. the definition doesn't mean "put into a prison", and even if it did a camp can be defined as a prison, the term is subjective entirely.

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Again the Japanese were not charged with any crimes so they do not need a trail.


see above

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There was no slavery as there was no master as well as none were bought or sold but you can keep making this a slavery issue.


again, nothing but a suubjective definition at play here, you're objectively wrong.

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Forced to work to pay for their own upkeep doesn't seem like a huge issue.


Upkeep in a place they are against their will = slavery. Objectively.

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They were not convicted of a crime they were detained by law enforcement which law enforcement is allowed to do in most cases for a certain
period of time as well as apparently longer as they did it to the Japanese.


You're referencing law enforcement rights of 48ish hours, not years lol...
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Mar 16 2016 09:20am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 16 2016 09:18am)
omg. i just read them, are those trolls or just complete ignorance to the legal definitions at play?



placed in camp against will = imprisonment. the definition doesn't mean "put into a prison", and even if it did a camp can be defined as a prison, the term is subjective entirely.



see above



again, nothing but a suubjective definition at play here, you're objectively wrong.



Upkeep in a place they are against their will = slavery. Objectively.



You're referencing law enforcement rights of 48ish hours, not years lol...


A prison is a prison.

pris·on
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noun
1.
a building (or vessel) in which people are legally held as a punishment for crimes they have committed or while awaiting trial.

It was not in any way a prison objectively or otherwise it was a camp.

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#996
Mar 16 2016 09:22am
Why are you guys going on about this shit anyways, Japanese Camps have zero to do with any of Trumps actual policies.
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Mar 16 2016 09:28am
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A prison is a prison.

pris·on
ˈprizən/Submit
noun
1.
a building (or vessel) in which people are legally held as a punishment for crimes they have committed or while awaiting trial.

It was not in any way a prison objectively or otherwise it was a camp.


It most certainly is, the issue is with being held there without being tried for a crime. That's what makes it unconstitutional, sending someone to a place that fits the definition of a prison without them having commited the prerequisite acts to be there. That's what we've been talking about this whole time, are you just finding that out now?


More generally defined:

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Full Definition of prison
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: a state of confinement or captivity
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: a place of confinement especially for lawbreakers; specifically : an institution (as one under state jurisdiction) for confinement of persons convicted of serious crimes — compare jail



Quote (Mangix @ Mar 16 2016 09:22am)
Why are you guys going on about this shit anyways, Japanese Camps have zero to do with any of Trumps actual policies.


have you tried talking to him about modern times? all he does is deflect with meaningless campaign slogans and references non-existent shitty polls that claim his candidate is a shoe in for the Oval Office. I'd rather debate history with a moron than speculative future events...

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 16 2016 09:29am
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#998
Mar 16 2016 09:30am
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It most certainly is, the issue is with being held there without being tried for a crime. That's what makes it unconstitutional, sending someone to a place that fits the definition of a prison without them having commited the prerequisite acts to be there. That's what we've been talking about this whole time, are you just finding that out now?



have you tried talking to him about modern times? all he does is deflect with meaningless campaign slogans and references non-existent shitty polls that claim his candidate is a shoe in for the Oval Office. I'd rather debate history with a moron than speculative future events...


It actually most certainly is not a prison and I gave you the definition of a prison.

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#999
Mar 16 2016 09:31am
Quote (GamingOn @ Mar 16 2016 09:30am)
It actually most certainly is not a prison and I gave you the definition of a prison.


you offered the googled definition of it, luckily the Us Supreme Court is a bit more thorough than you...
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#1000
Mar 16 2016 09:33am
Quote (GamingOn @ Mar 16 2016 10:30am)
It actually most certainly is not a prison and I gave you the definition of a prison.


Mincing words doesn't make it less insane. Its a prison, end of story, thats the best word to use to describe it. Okay, back to trump.
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