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Jan 31 2017 08:47am
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Lol
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Jan 31 2017 08:48am
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They're just trying to avoid the "so the strategic interests in the region are worth endangering the lives of Americans?" line.


That's such an easy question to overcome though. "Yes, because the strategic interests protects our soldiers! Do you hate soldiers?!?!?!?"

If Trump had any talent as an orator, or even the smallest amount of nuanced thinking, he could overcome these easy objections.
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Jan 31 2017 08:52am
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That's such an easy question to overcome though. "Yes, because the strategic interests protects our soldiers! Do you hate soldiers?!?!?!?"

If Trump had any talent as an orator, or even the smallest amount of nuanced thinking, he could overcome these easy objections.


This is probably the greatest counter argument to the Trump/Hitler comparisons

Hitler was a highly talented public speaker

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Jan 31 2017 08:53am
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This is probably the greatest counter argument to the Trump/Hitler comparisons

Hitler was a highly talented public speaker


Yeah. Trump is more like George Bush. Ultimately dumb and easy to manipulate, but "charming", or whatever you want to call it, to the working man.

However much more impulsive.

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Jan 31 2017 08:55am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 31 2017 08:48am)
That's such an easy question to overcome though. "Yes, because the strategic interests protects our soldiers! Do you hate soldiers?!?!?!?"

If Trump had any talent as an orator, or even the smallest amount of nuanced thinking, he could overcome these easy objections.


Thats sophism not oration. Rhetorical misdirection is a skill for debates not public speeches
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Jan 31 2017 08:56am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 31 2017 09:55am)
Thats sophism not oration. Rhetorical misdirection is a skill for debates not public speeches


Were you not paying attention this whole election?
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Thats sophism not oration. Rhetorical misdirection is a skill for debates not public speeches


Talent as an orator helps sell the message though.

Also, it's not a falacious answer, it's the truth. We would be harming American interests by straining our relationship with Saudi Arabia more than the countries that are currently banned. Same with Egypt.

However if he's going to say that he's protecting America he went half-assed by not banning from other extreme countries that the right has been up in arms above in the past year or so.
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Jan 31 2017 12:16pm

Croc tears :cry:
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Jan 31 2017 12:21pm
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"Hey guys, we need to discuss the merits of pausing refugees and see if it's a reasonable course of action"

vs

"I don't really care if its legal, let's stop them from random countries without a second thought"


Totally the same
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Jan 31 2017 12:24pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 31 Jan 2017 19:21)
"Hey guys, we need to discuss the merits of pausing refugees and see if it's a reasonable course of action"

vs

"I don't really care if its legal, let's stop them from random countries without a second thought"


Totally the same


they just don't do nuance. what fits into a meme will be uncritically accepted as (alternative) fact...
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