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Apr 4 2024 09:28am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 4 Apr 2024 10:20)
Yep but let's not forget on which side are the "pro-palestine sin lgbt leftists" and the "thoughts and prayers except if it's 8000km away Evangelistic crazies"

You can't ignore this difference, even if in both case the US interests are to keep a proxy in ME.


You are right and that's why I harp on the fact that most people have ZERO empathy/sympathy for the victims in this conflict.

Right after I found out about 10/7 I went into prayer as it felt like a dagger went through my own heart as it did on 9/11.

After I began to see the carpet bombing of civilians I went into prayer as I knew those people were in a meat grinder between the vice grip of Israel/US power.

The average person did the same thing I did. The politicians/leaders/elite? They only made it "seem" like they cared. The UN and the United States have all the power to create and enforce laws but they don't.

To me it's all virtue signaling. If tears came down your face when you saw those children being slaughtered then you care more then every political "person" on Earth. Guaranteed.

Do you think the SJW's really care as they hold up their sign with a Starbucks in the other hand? No. It's laughable.
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Apr 4 2024 09:30am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 4 2024 04:17pm)
He's not really isolationist, he's just weak, and let's not forget his christians zionists supporters ! The same who supported Iraq War 2.



It's very possible that soon enough we will see people starving like in ww2 concentration camps and this will not have a nice look.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/middleeast/israel-gaza-starvation-siege-mothers-babies-intl/index.html
One month later...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/middleeast/gaza-wck-aid-suspended-famine-intl/index.html
I am suspecting them (Likud, Army...) to try remove witnesses as much as possible: seveal NGOs retired from Gaza after these "accidents"...


I'm not informed enough to know if millions of people will starve. They are already suffering, there is no doubt.

It raises a broader question about what is the plan for 2 million Gazans longterm. They don't produce anything of value or have a strategy besides relying on massive international aid.

No "nation" or otherwise can exist entirely from handouts indefinitely.
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Apr 4 2024 09:43am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 4 2024 05:22pm)
ehhh, lets just agree that he is a horrible person, divisive & dangerous. both trump and biden have terrible flaws. mental that thats the choice the american people get. US foreign policy (and the war supporters) does not really change regardless of whether a republican or democrat is sitting in the white house. foreign policy is the same.


2 things:
- Like explained in the post right above, there's a pressure, a difference, in-between democrats & republicans. Do you see Biden going to war in the name of God like Bush did ? Thus Biden is not that much of a sad leftist.
- I see it from here: Trump being the usual coward which in fact does not change anything and could easily deflect like he did "I do not take any responsibilities, they are the ones who started this, our military to decide"


Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Apr 4 2024 05:28pm)
You are right and that's why I harp on the fact that most people have ZERO empathy/sympathy for the victims in this conflict.
Right after I found out about 10/7 I went into prayer as it felt like a dagger went through my own heart as it did on 9/11.
After I began to see the carpet bombing of civilians I went into prayer as I knew those people were in a meat grinder between the vice grip of Israel/US power.
The average person did the same thing I did. The politicians/leaders/elite? They only made it "seem" like they cared. The UN and the United States have all the power to create and enforce laws but they don't.
To me it's all virtue signaling. If tears came down your face when you saw those children being slaughtered then you care more then every political "person" on Earth. Guaranteed.
Do you think the SJW's really care as they hold up their sign with a Starbucks in the other hand? No. It's laughable.


The situation is still evolving, let's not forget the recent votes at UN. For sure it's slow and people are dying.

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I'm not informed enough to know if millions of people will starve. They are already suffering, there is no doubt.
It raises a broader question about what is the plan for 2 million Gazans longterm. They don't produce anything of value or have a strategy besides relying on massive international aid.
No "nation" or otherwise can exist entirely from handouts indefinitely.


This is the worst you can do to a group of people, to destroy their national identity, to choke their economy, education, while fuelling their religious extremists, then decades later let something bad happen to have an excuse for a final solution.
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Apr 4 2024 09:54am
Quote (zorzin @ Apr 3 2024 01:36am)
The problem you have is that your eye isn't on the prize. Let's say every gazan is de facto a hamastinian and every single one of them wants you dead. They don't have the means to do it. Israel outclasses them in every regard militarily, so when I hear Israelis complain about this I always chuckle to myself.

Hamas is poorly trained, poorly led, have barely enough aks and rpgs to carry out operations consistently and that's literally it. It's a David vs Goliath situation and yall are trying to convince the world that you're David in this situation.

Hezbollah, Ansarallah, Iran and its proxies throughout syria/iraq are REAL threats that want to see "from the river to the sea" and they have the means to do it. When gazas finally dealt with you still have all the aforementioned parties still trying to eradicate you.

This war has taken way too long


you are mixing your own opinions with nonsense. and il explain from my own Israeli point of view, both facts and general corrections for your comment.

1. Israel outclassing Hamas in every military aspect has nothing to do with the fact that Hamas has succeeded in raping, murdering and doing horror movies stuff on October 7th. now this is important to understand since you are an outsider -
since Hamas personals are buliding tunnels under hospitals, they are in fact making it a "David vs David" situation. ask yourself how would a sane state would act if they were to be attacked by terrorists who hide their own weapons in safe places
such as children's bed etc. Israel is putting INSANE amount of effort not to hurt innocent lives. that does not mean that innocent will not* be killed in war, but the effort exists. now the IDF potentially could have ended Gaza in 12 hours, and that sir
would have been a Goliath vs David. the Gaza situation millitary wise is not the case no matter how advanced we are compared to the enemy. when the enemy is playing the game hiding behind children, woman, hospitals etc.. it's completely something else.

2. facts: Hezbollah, Iran and all of thier remaining friends in Iraq and Syria HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS to make a "from the river to the sea". you are clearly mistaken, and i mean by a long shot.
they have the means to hurt Israeli population and Israeli infrastructures, making it very hard for the Israeli "hinterland" to function for days, weeks, might be months.
in a theoretical situation of a full scale war between Lebanon ( Hezbollah ) combined with Iran ( HIGHLY UNLIKELY since Iran uses proxies ) Lebanon's cities and infrastructures are gonna be vaporized in a matter of days. every building in every
city, every village in southern Lebanon etc is gonna be completely flattened from this earth.
if* such a thing will occur than i expect thousands of Israeli civilians dead, and more than 500,000 casualties in Syria and Lebanon depends on how severe it will be.

the only science fiction possibility that Palestine will rise and Israel will be eradicated - is nuking Israel and the surrounding, including Gaza etc... and that is a stupid, silly possibility that does not exist in the real world.
nukes are meant to deter. Israel will also not use it.

so il sum it up for you:

Lebanon's fate if they choose to full-scale initiate a war against Israel is sealed. Iran can throw in some ballistic missiles and hope they are passing Israeli air defenses. such a thing might even happen soon ( Iran's checking Israel air defenses for real )
but other than that, you need to re-check your information if you believe that we ( Israel ) are in a "REAL" danger.

we handled far worse shit. if Iran ( they are cunning so i don't see them attacking us directly ) will actually fire tens of misslies each day, than they are going to put every one of their fucking oil and gas field and some* nuclear sites in danger. U.S will also take a step alongsides us. so that is also a questionable attempt they will not try.

ask Mohammad Reza Zahedi and other of his idiot associates over the past decade who sealed their fate and how much they enjoy 72 virgins now.

This post was edited by darksoho on Apr 4 2024 10:03am
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1.
since Hamas personals are buliding tunnels under hospitals, they are in fact making it a "David vs David" situation. ask yourself how would a sane state would act if they were to be attacked by terrorists who hide their own weapons in safe places
such as children's bed etc. Israel is putting INSANE amount of effort not to hurt innocent lives.

2. facts: Hezbollah, Iran and all of thier remaining friends in Iraq and Syria HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS to make a "from the river to the sea". you are clearly mistaken, and i mean by a long shot. .


1. No, just because hamas has tunnels underneath all gazan Infrastructure, it does not mean this has now become a "David vs david" situation. A sane state would go door to door and secure these buildings but yall wana displace gazans into Egypt soyou turned Gaza into rubble, giving a defenders advantage to hamas. Your lavender ai targeting software deems a 15+:1 civilian to junior combatant ratio acceptable and a 100+:1 ratio for a senior combatant, there is no effort here.

2. You can claim I don't know what I'm talking about if that makes you feel better but Hezbollah has been pushing your shit in the north since this conflict began. (Link and picture rel) I never said Israel also doesn't have the means to glass beruit and Tehran and I never brought up nukes, nice deflection.

https://files.catbox.moe/41mi4a.mp4
(8 operations/day)

200k+ israelies dispersed from the north with acess blocked:


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Apr 4 2024 10:13am
Quote (zorzin @ Apr 4 2024 05:11pm)
1. No, just because hamas has tunnels underneath all gazan Infrastructure, it does not mean this has now become a "David vs david" situation. A sane state would go door to door and secure these buildings but yall wana displace gazans into Egypt soyou turned Gaza into rubble, giving a defenders advantage to hamas. Your lavender ai targeting software deems a 15+:1 civilian to junior combatant ratio acceptable and a 100+:1 ratio for a senior combatant, there is no effort here.

2. You can claim I don't know what I'm talking about if that makes you feel better but Hezbollah has been pushing your shit in the north since this conflict began. (Link and picture rel) I never said Israel also doesn't have the means to glass beruit and Tehran and I never brought up nukes, nice deflection.

https://files.catbox.moe/41mi4a.mp4
(8 operations/day)

200k+ israelies dispersed from the north with acess blocked:

https://i.postimg.cc/g0hMTLyM/1712205078633779.jpg


Im not familiar, can you explain what we are seeing in the above image ?
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Apr 4 2024 10:19am
Quote (zorzin @ Apr 4 2024 06:11pm)
1. No, just because hamas has tunnels underneath all gazan Infrastructure, it does not mean this has now become a "David vs david" situation. A sane state would go door to door and secure these buildings but yall wana displace gazans into Egypt soyou turned Gaza into rubble, giving a defenders advantage to hamas. Your lavender ai targeting software deems a 15+:1 civilian to junior combatant ratio acceptable and a 100+:1 ratio for a senior combatant, there is no effort here.

2. You can claim I don't know what I'm talking about if that makes you feel better but Hezbollah has been pushing your shit in the north since this conflict began. (Link and picture rel) I never said Israel also doesn't have the means to glass beruit and Tehran and I never brought up nukes, nice deflection.

https://files.catbox.moe/41mi4a.mp4
(8 operations/day)

200k+ israelies dispersed from the north with acess blocked:

https://i.postimg.cc/g0hMTLyM/1712205078633779.jpg


the correct number is 190k. i live in northern Israel. i was in the IDF for years, much more than the 3 years service that everyone here is doing from age 18-21.

you are not only mistaken, but also again - mixing stuff. the evacuation of the northern villages to a certain point was a wise decision ( a state descision ) in order to keep going in Gaza under our rules and time, i can't explain some stuff since i have no time and gotta go to pick up my son.

posting pictures and claiming stuff you can read on the internet does not make you right. it's okay, im not expecting any more than that.

bottom line - "REAL THREAT" you posted originaly ( from the river to the sea ) is a science fiction one. learn by coming here, not by idiotic internet free information for all.
cya

This post was edited by darksoho on Apr 4 2024 10:19am
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Im not familiar, can you explain what we are seeing in the above image ?


An elbit systems factory in liryat shmoma got hit by ww2 era burkan rockets and fir some reason they weren't intercepted by arrow/David's sling/iron dome. They had to blockade access to people's homes because they couldn't guarantee their safety.

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i can't explain some stuff since i have no time and gotta go to pick up my son.

cya


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Apr 4 2024 10:37am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 4 2024 04:43pm)
2 things:
- Like explained in the post right above, there's a pressure, a difference, in-between democrats & republicans. Do you see Biden going to war in the name of God like Bush did ? Thus Biden is not that much of a sad leftist.
- I see it from here: Trump being the usual coward which in fact does not change anything and could easily deflect like he did "I do not take any responsibilities, they are the ones who started this, our military to decide"




The situation is still evolving, let's not forget the recent votes at UN. For sure it's slow and people are dying.



This is the worst you can do to a group of people, to destroy their national identity, to choke their economy, education, while fuelling their religious extremists, then decades later let something bad happen to have an excuse for a final solution.


Your framing way to hard. And using the term final solution is.probbaly quite offensive to certain people.
Palestinians are suffering, Israel is causing suffering but equally Hamas calls for destruction of Israel.

There is no reconciliation with Hamas. Not enough Arab countries are recognising the issue with Hamas and supporting each other including Israel to remove groups like Hamas.
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Apr 4 2024 11:15am
Quote (zorzin @ 4 Apr 2024 19:11)
1. No, just because hamas has tunnels underneath all gazan Infrastructure, it does not mean this has now become a "David vs david" situation. A sane state would go door to door and secure these buildings but yall wana displace gazans into Egypt soyou turned Gaza into rubble, giving a defenders advantage to hamas. Your lavender ai targeting software deems a 15+:1 civilian to junior combatant ratio acceptable and a 100+:1 ratio for a senior combatant, there is no effort here.

2. You can claim I don't know what I'm talking about if that makes you feel better but Hezbollah has been pushing your shit in the north since this conflict began. (Link and picture rel) I never said Israel also doesn't have the means to glass beruit and Tehran and I never brought up nukes, nice deflection.

https://files.catbox.moe/41mi4a.mp4
(8 operations/day)

200k+ israelies dispersed from the north with acess blocked:

https://i.postimg.cc/g0hMTLyM/1712205078633779.jpg


A sane state wont sacrifice its own people to save the enemies people.
If you dont want war dont start one
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