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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Apr 4 2024 04:54pm)
How would Trump have made it worse? The US intelligence and Israeli intelligence work in tandem(has little to do with the sitting President and more to do with the handlers behind the scene). They are major allies and both in the top five for military application technology. Just because Trump went to the "wailing wall" and put on a "kippah" doesn't mean he wants to genocide Palestinians. It was optics and nothing more. Sort of like Obama being a "Christian" to gain that voter base(one of it not the biggest voting block in the US). I will admit though that every President backs Israel. That's because Israel is a proxy of the United States and having a good relationship with them allows them to have better access to the ME. To make a metaphor Israel is the two towers on 9/11. If they go down WE come in. We laid waste to a lot of the ME and parts of northern Africa and if Israel wants to instigate a wider war with the ME they will be the ones getting hit by long range missiles, they'll be the ones to nuke Tehran and get nuked back in the process. America benefits if Israel continues it's military campaign. America also benefits if a cease-fire or peace agreement is reached.

I don't even like Trump or Biden but from their own words Trump has always said, "Bring our troops home". Why are we in foreign wars letting our youth die when the countries we go and defend NEVER pay us back for doing the heavy lifting. Biden is so incompetent and just "not mentally there" that the puppet masters get Biden to do whatever they want. Trump had a good relationship with Putin and Putin doesn't even talk to Biden(is that not even more dangerous?). Biden is a democrat war hawk. Normally it's Republican war hawks cheering on any military conflict but now we see a lot more of both sides "supporting never ending wars" because they get RICH by just saying "yay" in the chambers of congress.

This conflict is above the US sitting presidents. As I've said many times this is the worlds elite using Israel to start WW3. The Rothschilds own the US Federal Reserve and therefore control the US military and they installed "Israel" after WW2 just like in "Ukraine". They use emotional, ethnic, religious, and national divide amongst neighboring nations to start wars wherever the fuck they want. People need to understand this. The bankers of have funded both sides of every conflict. Just ask yourself how Germany and the Third Reich were able to amass the "force" they did? Because they had financial support from the wealthiest entity on Earth.


Trump make it worse because he's weak. To fill up his own pockets or to make a distraction he would certainly trigger more war, this would not be a problem for him:
- He put embassy in the wrong hole
- increase military budget
- killed Iranian general, strongly sided with Netanyahu: let's not forget the american christian "zionists" are with him, it's huge !
- Overall republicans: Iraq war 2 never forget.

That the problem: Trump populism is a weakness which can either ending in treason, incompetence, or severe war. /e But i can understand some desperate people prefer Chaos over continuum


good boy !



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I find it frankly insane, that people are crying about 7 aid workers killed in the face of 32,000 dead. There is extensive history if Israel killing civilians, aid workers etc. They are even bombing other countries at the moment, and yet the media is horrified about 7 aid workers killed. warped logic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/israel-2000lb-bombs-us-rafah-un-security-council-resolution/ <--- how this does not horrify anyone is beyond me.


I don't think the outrage can be belittled to "crying", that is not appropriate.

Yes there could be an accusation of double standards at the response to these killings as opposed to the killing of innocent Palestinians.
The only difference is the blatant targeting of aid workers whether mistakenly or not; As opposed to what Israeli armed forces would claim are collateral damages of the war they are conducting.

Frankly I think the response of Netanyahu was pathetic and grotesque. Smirking essentially to camera saying how there will be a full investigation and they will try really hard to stop it happening again.

The patience had all but run out already but leaves no doubt that Israel are acting beyond reproach and without consequence.




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Trump make it worse because he's weak. To fill up his own pockets or to make a distraction he would certainly trigger more war, this would not be a problem for him:
- He put embassy in the wrong hole
- increase military budget
- killer Iranian general, strongly sided with Netanyahu: let's not forget the american christian "zionists" are with him.
- Overall republicans: Iraq war 2 never forget.

That the problem: Trump populism is a weakness which can either ending in treason, incompetence, or severe war.


good boy !

https://i.imgur.com/rQOtZsO.jpeg


a minor comment, trump is largely isolationist compared to all previous presidents. He is an anomaly in this regard. While some of his foreign policy led to bad things, its not true that he went looking for military wars.
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I find it frankly insane, that people are crying about 7 aid workers killed in the face of 32,000 dead. There is extensive history of Israel killing civilians, aid workers etc. They are even bombing other countries at the moment, and yet the media is horrified about 7 aid workers killed. warped logic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/israel-2000lb-bombs-us-rafah-un-security-council-resolution/ <--- how this does not horrify anyone is beyond me. probably conditioned by the 100's of 2000lbs bombs already dropped - https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html


Because they've created a normalcy bias the same way the United States did when it was at war with the ME.

Nothing new. Nothing to see here. Just another day in hell for anyone opposing the worlds top militaries.

Eventually people just stop caring. Just like supporting Ukraine or George Floyd or any other event that warrants "emotional pull from the masses".

Now if they kill another 4 aid workers tomorrow people will rationalize in their mind, "Well they killed 7 the other day so it's not as bad".

This is what happens in war when 99% of the planet isn't having their lives ruined right now. "At least were not in Gaza".

It's really sad but I remember it well during the US campaign in the ME. First Blackhawk to get shot down and they made a movie about it. The hundreds afer? Well no one really cares.

You are seeing in live time how the people who said they cared so much about Israel(directly after 10/7) and then with Palestine(when Israel killed civilians). Don't actually care.
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I find it frankly insane, that people are crying about 7 aid workers killed in the face of 32,000 dead. There is extensive history of Israel killing civilians, aid workers etc. They are even bombing other countries at the moment, and yet the media is horrified about 7 aid workers killed. warped logic. Israel has said it does not bomb indiscriminately. That means there was purpose and intent for those it has killed to date. These are guided strikes. for a car they need precision, for Gaza, a few thousand 2000lbs bombs works just as well, the target (gaza) is small but even unguided bombs will hit it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/israel-2000lb-bombs-us-rafah-un-security-council-resolution/ <--- how this does not horrify anyone is beyond me. probably conditioned by the 100's of 2000lbs bombs already dropped - https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html


Also people are horrified by the civilian toll. They also understand that nobody should be expected to live with Hamas literally operating underneath their homes and with impunity.

The issue is how Israel are conducting its operation to remove Hamas.
If something does not change, it has been a bloodlusting failure and Netanyahu should be held accountable fully.

On a broader level this should be a lesson to what happens when you foster extremist and far right factions in a democracy. As if we needed any more lessons, but apparently we do.

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Iran will be forced to retaliate as well as to not retaliate would suggest to Israel that they can launch missiles at any country and not face blow-back.

Regarding Netanyahu, there are no indicators to suggest that removing him would change Israels policies. Netanyahu is merely the face of the current culture which exists in Israel. its well documented. There are no moderates left, or those that are are irrelevant / not in power (and wont be in power).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-sorry-as-details-emerge-of-strike-that-picked-off-gaza-aid-cars-one-by-one/ - “It was a mistake that followed a misidentification, at night, during a war, in very complex conditions. It shouldn’t have happened,” Halevi clarified, adding that there was no “intention of harming WCK aid workers.” - utter lies. they were after 1 terrorist and struck 3 locations. the intention was to kill a terrorist that was not in any of those locations and they didnt care about collator damage. Israel is going to be remembered for the next 100 years for the actions of the last 6 months and what they are doing currently. totally lacking in morale compass.

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Trump make it worse because he's weak. To fill up his own pockets or to make a distraction he would certainly trigger more war, this would not be a problem for him:
- He put embassy in the wrong hole
- increase military budget
- killed Iranian general, strongly sided with Netanyahu: let's not forget the american christian "zionists" are with him, it's huge !
- Overall republicans: Iraq war 2 never forget.

That the problem: Trump populism is a weakness which can either ending in treason, incompetence, or severe war. /e But i can understand some desperate people prefer Chaos over continuum


good boy !

https://i.imgur.com/rQOtZsO.jpeg


Did you not read what I said? Trump/Biden America/Israel are proxies of the people who run the world. If Trump or Biden "didn't play ball" they'd be dead quicker then JFK. No American citizens support this shit we just have to wave our flag when we bomb people to smithereens. People in America and Israel love having the liberty to just live a life of pleasure and leisure. They will never admit to themselves we are the "bad guy". They will always compromise in their own mind things that are repulsive because they don't want the "party to end". No US citizens or Israeli citizens are going to stop the military juggernaut running the world. Unless you want to die of course then be my guest. Yes all cowards. Myself included. But at least I admit to myself that what my country and Israel are doing is wrong. I also know there's very little I can do to stop it sadly.

edit: Also Trump and Biden are both weak but Biden is weaker. You see it on the highest political stage when all the world leaders are together most Presidents have "some respect" for Trump but basically "zero" for Biden. &&& it's not some "magic power" Trump has he's just a more interesting individual and not a career politician.

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a minor comment, trump is largely isolationist compared to all previous presidents. He is an anomaly in this regard. While some of his foreign policy led to bad things, its not true that he went looking for military wars.


He's not really isolationist, he's just weak, and let's not forget his christians zionists supporters ! The same who supported Iraq War 2.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 4 2024 05:07pm)
Frankly I think the response of Netanyahu was pathetic and grotesque. Smirking essentially to camera saying how there will be a full investigation and they will try really hard to stop it happening again.
The patience had all but run out already but leaves no doubt that Israel are acting beyond reproach and without consequence.


It's very possible that soon enough we will see people starving like in ww2 concentration camps and this will not have a nice look.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/middleeast/israel-gaza-starvation-siege-mothers-babies-intl/index.html
One month later...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/middleeast/gaza-wck-aid-suspended-famine-intl/index.html
I am suspecting them (Likud, Army...) to try remove witnesses as much as possible: seveal NGOs retired from Gaza after these "accidents"...

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Did you not read what I said? Trump/Biden America/Israel are proxies of the people who run the world. If Trump or Biden "didn't play ball" they'd be dead quicker then JFK. No American citizens support this shit we just have to wave our flag when we bomb people to smithereens. People in America and Israel love having the liberty to just live a life of pleasure and leisure. They will never admit to themselves we are the "bad guy". They will always compromise in their own mind things that are repulsive because they don't want the "party to end". No US citizens or Israeli citizens are going to stop the military juggernaut running the world. Unless you want to die of course then be my guest. Yes all cowards. Myself included. But at least I admit to myself that what my country and Israel are doing is wrong. I also know there's very little I can do to stop it sadly.


Yep but let's not forget on which side are the "pro-palestine sin lgbt leftists" and the "thoughts and prayers except if it's 8000km away Evangelistic crazies"

You can't ignore this difference, even if in both case the US interests are to keep a proxy in ME.
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He's not really isolationist, he's just weak, and let's not forget his christians zionists supporters ! The same who supported Iraq War 2.



It's very possible that soon enough we will see people starving like in ww2 concentration camps and this will not have a nice look.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/middleeast/israel-gaza-starvation-siege-mothers-babies-intl/index.html
One month later...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/middleeast/gaza-wck-aid-suspended-famine-intl/index.html
I am suspecting them (Likud, Army...) to try remove witnesses as possible: seveal NGOs retired from Gaza after these "accidents"...


ehhh, lets just agree that he is a horrible person, divisive & dangerous. both trump and biden have terrible flaws. mental that thats the choice the american people get. US foreign policy (and the war supporters) does not really change regardless of whether a republican or democrat is sitting in the white house. foreign policy is the same.
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