Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 9 2016 09:22am)

I'll have to eventually comb through this topic for the plethora of gold mine quotes from the resident lefties

Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 18 2015 12:26pm)

I'm seriously so sick of hearing about Trump already; he's a fringe candidate who stands no chance at getting the nomination. He's this year's Ron Paul (gets tons of attention on the internet but loses by a landslide).

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 9 2016 01:22pm)

I'll have to eventually comb through this topic for the plethora of gold mine quotes from the resident lefties

Quote (Pollster @ Jul 18 2015 12:23pm)

Clinton would win in an electoral landslide. I know people like to have fun discussing fringe candidates but anyone who would attempt to argue otherwise is clearly clueless regarding national and state politics. Clinton would receive at least 347 EVs, and could theoretically push into the 370s-380s if she was fortunate enough to have 6-8 months of campaigning against Trump as the Republican standard-bearer.

The amusing thing is that Trump's electoral viability is little different than most of the other Republicans running. Bush, Walker, Rubio, and Kasich are all capable of forcing a tight election and even winning in certain environments but most of the other primary candidates would fare as poorly as Trump would.

Quote (EndlessSky @ 12 Nov 2016 02:49)

Except for you. You can get you know whatted.

Quote (Pollster @ Sep 1 2015 08:38pm)

Thanks for the laugh, but I obviously don't "bluff" about anything. You shouldn't expect "the media" to be a watchdog either; networks are too busy giving his campaign free publicity to torch his hypocrisy. Jon Anderson and Mike Ciletti are both lobbyists and they're both running one of his Super PACs (kills two lies with one stone, really). You could actually kill a third lie with the same stone when you consider that he attended one of their fundraisers.

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/042/201507010300005042/201507010300005042.pdf
https://www.hollandhart.com/jmanderson
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/donald-trump-donor-fundraising-2016-121645.html

Buhbuhbuhbuhbut he says he doesn't want or need lobbyists or anyone else's money!!!1111oneone



Do you mean the nomination or the general election? Because the answer would be really different. If he won the nomination I'd be overjoyed as it'd likely juice short-term Democratic gains next year. But if he won the general election then I'd laugh maniacally, as it'd cripple the Republicans in Congress and the states on account of the ramifications for 2018 and 2020.

The 2018 Senate map is tilted heavily towards the Republicans due to the class and terrain that's up. The Democrats could use the significant boost that comes from running as the out-party in a midterm. Most of the key governorships are up that year too and most would be open races, and the party would take most of them if Trump was president. That alone would break half of the Republican gerrymanders in time for the next remap, and if the party was able to run against Trump in 2020 then that'd win them a ton of legislature races that'd help them draw their own maps.

A Donald Trump win in November 2016 would unequivocally be one of the greatest things that could happen to the modern Democratic party. The only downside would be if he made SCOTUS appointments in the mold of his fringe personality, and I'm not so sure that would happen. I actually think that, if Trump won the nomination, he'd ditch the racist and xenophobic blathering quickly since he knows it's a GE loser.

Quote (stimpy6298 @ Nov 12 2016 03:13pm)

This thread is full of gems like this one, Pollster has been pretty good at calling people stupid all throughout this thread someone needs to collect all his post and write a book called "2016 How I Got It All Wrong". I wonder if his 2018 Predictions will be true he's been pretty spot on with most of his polling and predictions thus far.

Ive actually looked at the 2008 and 2012 election numbers for about an hour a few days ago and the numbers really are surprising. Most of those traditionally Blue states were pretty close in the rust belt/ Midwest region with a win in those states as little as 50k-100k votes. Now the problem with that is when you compare those election to this one third party candidates didn't have an impact as much as they did this cycle. For instance if you were to take all of Johnsons votes in 2012 and give them to Romney in those close states Obama still would of won. Now fast-forward to 2016 and take those Johnson votes and give them to Clinton and she wins by a landslide. This election was really given to trump due to the third party candidate in my opinion.

Quote (Mangix @ Nov 12 2016 03:23pm)

You'd have to be stupid to think that it's 3rd party's fault that democrats got 6-7m less votes than last time around and last time around was considered shitty turnout.