Quote (IceMage @ Aug 26 2023 08:16pm)

Trump hasn't been charged for any crime related to his speech at the Capitol that day. Incitement is a very hard charge to prove... and that's probably a good thing. But this isn't a court room... the public should hold Trump accountable for all his transgressions, not just those that violated the law. His behavior on January 6th was despicable. That includes drawing people to Washington, putting a target on the Capitol, and refusing to act when it was being attacked.

I'm honestly not sure why right-wingers have a hard time agreeing with me on this. This isn't an ideological attack. If Obama had done the same, right-wingers on this forum would be livid.

Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 26 2023 08:18pm)

I will be shocked if he's convicted under those charges and they stick. While you take all of this very seriously, you have to understand that most of the country sees this as emblematic of the weaponization of law.

A coup is to overthrow a government with force. Trump told his supporters he thought the vote was rigged and asked them to protest peacefully outside of Congress while he exhausted every legal and constitutional means available to him. Unseemly, for sure, but entirely legal unseemly behavior nonetheless.

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Quote (IceMage @ Aug 26 2023 08:41pm)

As I'm always saying in religious discussion, luckily the truth isn't determined by majority vote.

Honestly I think you're just ignorant of what is going on here. Are you aware of why Trump was charged in Georgia? Are you aware of why he was charged in Washington? Are you aware of the classified documents case?

I'm not being condescending, I honestly don't know if you are aware of the basic facts of his cases.

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Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 26 2023 08:18pm)

I will be shocked if he's convicted under those charges and they stick. While you take all of this very seriously, you have to understand that most of the country sees this as emblematic of the weaponization of law.

A coup is to overthrow a government with force. Trump told his supporters he thought the vote was rigged and asked them to protest peacefully outside of Congress while he exhausted every legal and constitutional means available to him. Unseemly, for sure, but entirely legal unseemly behavior nonetheless.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 27 2023 10:59pm)

So look at this the other way.
If pence had not verified the results of the elections. And trump chosen and identified “electors” that he had chosen to ignore the US election
And claimed by some overriding default Trump
Was to remain the ores. Would have that been a huge issue?
If yes that’s an issue . Trump was behind that happening he TRIED to make this happen. I don’t know what your missing here. If no then you don’t believe in the constitution.

Quote (Ghot @ Aug 27 2023 09:41pm)

Less alcohol dude. ^^

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 27 2023 07:59pm)

So look at this the other way.
If pence had not verified the results of the elections. And trump chosen and identified “electors” that he had chosen to ignore the US election
And claimed by some overriding default Trump
Was to remain the ores. Would have that been a huge issue?
If yes that’s an issue . Trump was behind that happening he TRIED to make this happen. I don’t know what your missing here. If no then you don’t believe in the constitution.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 27 2023 10:59pm)

So look at this the other way.
If pence had not verified the results of the elections. And trump chosen and identified “electors” that he had chosen to ignore the US election
And claimed by some overriding default Trump
Was to remain the ores. Would have that been a huge issue?
If yes that’s an issue . Trump was behind that happening he TRIED to make this happen. I don’t know what your missing here. If no then you don’t believe in the constitution.