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#9731
Aug 24 2023 07:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 24 Aug 2023 14:57)
BIG doubt! Here's a table of the federal budget:

Fiscal Year | Receipts | Outlays
https://i.imgur.com/uR8JKRO.jpg

Source:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/federal-budget-receipts-and-outlays

As you can see, the outlays in the federal budget (third column) exploded during covid, but have neither come down to pre-covid levels during FY 2022, nor are they projected to in FYs 2023 and beyond.


you obviously got that from faux news lmfao

evrything is estimated and the numbers literally dont line up

how could biden add 4 billion in his first year totaling 6 billion

lmfao math is hard bro

jesus fucking christ you dont even vet the data you look at what the actual fuck is wrong with you like on an intellectual level are you not at all intellectually curious? jesus fuck man

This post was edited by Crunkt on Aug 24 2023 07:03pm
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#9732
Aug 24 2023 11:13pm
Quote (Crunkt @ Aug 24 2023 06:01pm)
probably because you don't pay your taxes


lol so what your saying is all he did is give some people some of what he stole from them back and thats what your teehee dancing about
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#9733
Aug 25 2023 02:30am
Quote (Crunkt @ 25 Aug 2023 03:02)
you obviously got that from faux news lmfao

evrything is estimated and the numbers literally dont line up

how could biden add 4 billion in his first year totaling 6 billion

lmfao math is hard bro

jesus fucking christ you dont even vet the data you look at what the actual fuck is wrong with you like on an intellectual level are you not at all intellectually curious? jesus fuck man

Like I explicitly said, the middle column is federal receipts, so the difference between the 4.1 trillion in receipts and 6 trilion on outlays means that the federal deficit for FY 2022 was 2 trillion. Which you could also have seen if you had taken the time to look at the source I posted. A source which by the way is the work of professors from the University of California, Santa Barbara - a prestigious research university which is considered part of the "Public Ivys". Not exactly "faux news". :rolleyes:

In other words: as soon as I added actual facts and source material to the discussion, you resorted to name calling and non-sensical dead-end arguments. This is a waste of time.
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#9734
Aug 26 2023 07:50pm


Something that is worth noting about Biden is that he doesn't seem to hold it personally that Trump tried to steal the election from him. Or if he does take it personally, he keeps it to himself.

Can you imagine if Trump had been in the same position? He would tweet(or truth) about it every other day. He would never get past it. Trump and his cultists never shut up about the fact that an investigation was opened under Obama that continued in his administration... they labeled that a "coup". But he went on to attempt an actual coup to prevent the transfer of power.

Biden barely ever mentions the fact that the sitting president(who he beat in the election) tried to overthrow American democracy in order to stay in power. He has so many opportunities to address it, and he almost never does. Kind of amazing... if I were him I would bring it up in situations like this.

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Aug 26 2023 08:49pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 26 2023 09:50pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHpS6JXg-E

Something that is worth noting about Biden is that he doesn't seem to hold it personally that Trump tried to steal the election from him. Or if he does take it personally, he keeps it to himself.

Can you imagine if Trump had been in the same position? He would tweet(or truth) about it every other day. He would never get past it. Trump and his cultists never shut up about the fact that an investigation was opened under Obama that continued in his administration... they labeled that a "coup". But he went on to attempt an actual coup to prevent the transfer of power.

Biden barely ever mentions the fact that the sitting president(who he beat in the election) tried to overthrow American democracy in order to stay in power. He has so many opportunities to address it, and he almost never does. Kind of amazing... if I were him I would bring it up in situations like this.


"Why is Joe Biden acting like Trump didn't literally throw a coup?"

You're getting pretty close, try and work this one out.
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Aug 26 2023 08:56pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 26 2023 07:49pm)
"Why is Joe Biden acting like Trump didn't literally throw a coup?"

You're getting pretty close, try and work this one out.


What's a word to describe a sitting president using illegal means to hold onto power? He's been indicted by the United States of America and Georgia for those illegal means. Background includes giving a speech to an angry crowd on the day the electoral votes are certified, watching them attack the Capitol, and (as the chief federal law enforcement officer) not doing anything about it for hours.

I think "coup" is an accurate word to describe it. It was a self-coup. Which word would you use to describe what happened?

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 26 2023 08:58pm
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Aug 26 2023 09:02pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 26 2023 07:56pm)
What's a word to describe a sitting president using illegal means to hold onto power? He's been indicted by the United States of America and Georgia for those illegal means. Background includes giving a speech to an angry crowd on the day the electoral votes are certified, watching them attack the Capitol, and (as the chief federal law enforcement officer) not doing anything about it for hours.

I think "coup" is an accurate word to describe it. It was a self-coup. Which word would you use to describe what happened?


dictionary.com
self-coup
noun
a coup d'état performed by the current, legitimate government or a duly elected head of state to retain or extend control over government, through an additional term, an extension of term, an expansion of executive power, the dismantling of other government branches, or the declaration that an election won by an opponent is illegitimate.

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Aug 26 2023 09:05pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 26 2023 07:56pm)
What's a word to describe a sitting president using illegal means to hold onto power? He's been indicted by the United States of America and Georgia for those illegal means. Background includes giving a speech to an angry crowd on the day the electoral votes are certified, watching them attack the Capitol, and (as the chief federal law enforcement officer) not doing anything about it for hours.

I think "coup" is an accurate word to describe it. It was a self-coup. Which word would you use to describe what happened?


But giving a speech to an angry crowd is not illegal by itself. Maybe it can sort of be considered some kind of incitement? I don't know if that's illegal in your country, but I tend to think it should be protected speech because you guys have the 1st amendment. Also, watching the attack without doing anything about it might be a lapse given his position at the time, but this alone is not sufficient proof that he threw a coup. He merely didn't stop it early enough.

The only way Trump had thrown a coup is if he was directly involved, like he organized it, planned it...etc. He couldn't control what other people (the angry crowd) decided to do.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Aug 26 2023 09:08pm
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Aug 26 2023 09:16pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Aug 26 2023 08:05pm)
But giving a speech to an angry crowd is not illegal by itself. Maybe it can sort of be considered some kind of incitement? I don't know if that's illegal in your country, but I tend to think it should be protected speech because you guys have the 1st amendment. Also, watching the attack without doing anything about it might be a lapse given his position at the time, but this alone is not sufficient proof that he threw a coup. He merely didn't stop it early enough.

The only way Trump had thrown a coup is if he was directly involved, like he organized it, planned it...etc. He couldn't control what other people decided to do.


Trump hasn't been charged for any crime related to his speech at the Capitol that day. Incitement is a very hard charge to prove... and that's probably a good thing. But this isn't a court room... the public should hold Trump accountable for all his transgressions, not just those that violated the law. His behavior on January 6th was despicable. That includes drawing people to Washington, putting a target on the Capitol, and refusing to act when it was being attacked.

I'm honestly not sure why right-wingers have a hard time agreeing with me on this. This isn't an ideological attack. If Obama had done the same, right-wingers on this forum would be livid.
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Aug 26 2023 09:18pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 26 2023 10:56pm)
What's a word to describe a sitting president using illegal means to hold onto power? He's been indicted by the United States of America and Georgia for those illegal means. Background includes giving a speech to an angry crowd on the day the electoral votes are certified, watching them attack the Capitol, and (as the chief federal law enforcement officer) not doing anything about it for hours.

I think "coup" is an accurate word to describe it. It was a self-coup. Which word would you use to describe what happened?


I will be shocked if he's convicted under those charges and they stick. While you take all of this very seriously, you have to understand that most of the country sees this as emblematic of the weaponization of law.

A coup is to overthrow a government with force. Trump told his supporters he thought the vote was rigged and asked them to protest peacefully outside of Congress while he exhausted every legal and constitutional means available to him. Unseemly, for sure, but entirely legal unseemly behavior nonetheless.
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