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Oct 7 2021 04:27pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 7 2021 05:17pm)
Yeah, and what makes you think that people wouldn't have believed the media when they write that his latest "transparency initiative for intelligence agencies" is cast in the same mold?
The press would definitely have intervened on behalf of the swamp and I consider it completely unrealistic to assume that the 50+% of the population who already hated and distruted Trump would have been able or willing to distinguish between this hypothetical good faith reform bill and his previous, shady attempts at undermining the investigations against him.


So Trump couldn't make good changes to the intelligence community because he was afraid of the backlash he was already receiving for doing the exact thing he would have been accused of if he made those changes.

Yeah, that checks out.
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Oct 7 2021 04:29pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 7 2021 03:27pm)
So Trump couldn't make good changes to the intelligence community because he was afraid of the backlash he was already receiving for doing the exact thing he would have been accused of if he made those changes.

Yeah, that checks out.


Yea I find it hard to believe given all the shit that he did after he lost lol. Trump couldn't care less about pissing off his enemies.
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Oct 7 2021 04:33pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 8 Oct 2021 00:27)
So Trump couldn't make good changes to the intelligence community because he was afraid of the backlash he was already receiving for doing the exact thing he would have been accused of if he made those changes.

Yeah, that checks out.


If you maliciously twist my words like that, it sounds bad. The point is really simple though: for bills to pass, a president needs to have sufficient political capital and trust from the public.
After Trump had fired Comey, his wiggle room on anything intelligence community related had evaporated. He would not even have been able to get genuinely good faith bills passed as long as the press steers public opinion against said bill.

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Oct 7 2021 05:13pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Oct 2021 18:33)
If you maliciously twist my words like that, it sounds bad. The point is really simple though: for bills to pass, a president needs to have sufficient political capital and trust from the public.
After Trump had fired Comey, his wiggle room on anything intelligence community related had evaporated. He would not even have been able to get genuinely good faith bills passed as long as the press steers public opinion against said bill.

thor fancies himself an intellectual but he didnt finish his education, works in a taxpayer-supported lab torturing mice and refuses to repay his debts. he is irrelevant and a net-negative to the USA

the left demanded Comey be fired, Trump did it and they then claimed it was overreach, “russian hacking” and corruption lmao. never forget the Colbert show scene:



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Oct 7 2021 05:27pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 7 2021 05:33pm)
If you maliciously twist my words like that, it sounds bad. The point is really simple though: for bills to pass, a president needs to have sufficient political capital and trust from the public.
After Trump had fired Comey, his wiggle room on anything intelligence community related had evaporated. He would not even have been able to get genuinely good faith bills passed as long as the press steers public opinion against said bill.


The President oversees those departments. He doesnt have to ask for a bill.

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Oct 7 2021 05:47pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 7 2021 06:33pm)
If you maliciously twist my words like that, it sounds bad. The point is really simple though: for bills to pass, a president needs to have sufficient political capital and trust from the public.
After Trump had fired Comey, his wiggle room on anything intelligence community related had evaporated. He would not even have been able to get genuinely good faith bills passed as long as the press steers public opinion against said bill.


This is stupid. Comey was incompetent and didn't deserve a janitor job.
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Oct 7 2021 06:02pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 8 Oct 2021 01:27)
The President oversees those departments. He doesnt have to ask for a bill.


Then why was it such a huge deal when he fired the head of one of those allegedly subordinate agencies? (A guy that Hilary would have gleefully fired on her first day in office too, lmao.)

The whole Mueller probe saga proves that the president's power over these departments is more limited than you're willing to admit.

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Oct 7 2021 06:08pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 7 2021 05:02pm)
Then why was it such a huge deal when he fired the head of one of those allegedly subordinate agencies? (A guy that Hilary would have gleefully fired on her first day in office too, lmao.)

The whole Mueller probe saga proves that the president's power over these departments is more limited than you're willing to admit.


Seriously?
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#9729
Oct 7 2021 06:14pm
Quote (thundercock @ 8 Oct 2021 02:08)
Seriously?


Yes yes, I know that the argument is a bit polemical, but seriously: if you argue, rightfully if I may add, that the president firing the head of the agency investigating him was a no-go, then the same argument of course has to also apply when he issues new rules or regulations for this agency during the ongoing investigation.

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#9730
Oct 7 2021 06:19pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 7 2021 08:08pm)
Seriously?


With hindsight, Comey was a schemer and deserved to be fired. If we hadn't lionized him as a "defender of democracy", which he certainly was not, the entire country would be much better off.

We need to prioritize presidential control over executive functions. Federal agencies are way too powerful to be left to their own devices, and critical enough that it would be very painful to downsize them.

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