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Feb 4 2020 09:26am
Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2020 15:45)
you're trying to put islamists in the "right" of a traditional political spectrum, how does this not explain the whole thing?



as i said in my first post, AMERICAN LEFT, not political compass left.


we're 3 pages in and all i said in my first post has checked out, other than a tiny bit more seriousness on antifa while also acknowledging their low kill count.


that is just plain wrong (and wouldn't prove anything about goon-shill's motivation, if he's deliberately 'joking' or not, anyway). multiple times in just this thread, i have argued that they should be (and actually ARE in most statistics i have seen) their OWN category.

as a direct reply to the hacky attempts to just lump them in with one side, i said that IF ANYTHING, those extremist fucks as ultra conservative. also, regarding the idiotic 'if your policies don't appear harsh enough, your side deserves at least part of the blame for extremist actions' narrative, i pointed out that right wing policies and administrations are some of the main reasons for the islamist terrorist threat to america.
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Feb 4 2020 09:32am
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that is just plain wrong (and wouldn't prove anything about goon-shill's motivation, if he's deliberately 'joking' or not, anyway). multiple times in just this thread, i have argued that they should be (and actually ARE in most statistics i have seen) their OWN category.

as a direct reply to the hacky attempts to just lump them in with one side, i said that IF ANYTHING, those extremist fucks as ultra conservative. also, regarding the idiotic 'if your policies don't appear harsh enough, your side deserves at least part of the blame for extremist actions' narrative, i pointed out that right wing policies and administrations are some of the main reasons for the islamist terrorist threat to america.


i mean you're just being willfully ignorant now. he said in that post it's about alignments, not actually belonging in the group in truth. that's the joke...

it's like you're trying to not get his point just to justify not getting it was a joke and not literal. thats all i have left to explain your Kanye West fishsticks behavior here.

all you need to say is "i dont think the left empowers or apologizes for islamic terror as much as you do", instead of "that's not true, and it's not what you meant, and you were trying to mislead all along because you're a hack propagandist, etc etc etc". propagandize who lol? there's like 10 posters here all with concrete ideas.



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Feb 4 2020 09:48am
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i mean you're just being willfully ignorant now. he said in that post it's about alignments, not actually belonging in the group in truth. that's the joke...

it's like you're trying to not get his point just to justify not getting it was a joke and not literal. thats all i have left to explain your Kanye West fishsticks behavior here.

all you need to say is "i dont think the left empowers or apologizes for islamic terror as much as you do", instead of "that's not true, and it's not what you meant, and you were trying to mislead all along because you're a hack propagandist, etc etc etc". propagandize who lol? there's like 10 posters here all with concrete ideas.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/blogs.comedycentral.com-production/wp-content/uploads/sites/58/2014/08/1305_6_Gayfish1.gif


it's a joke "argument", but he's not "joking" when he makes it. can you really not make that simple distinction?

oh, and speaking of "willfully ignorant" - do you acknowledge that i repeatedly stated throughout this discussion, that islamist terrorism should be its own category? i'm asking because you just ignored that point after wrongly suggesting i "tried to put them on the right".

also, just because he might not be efficient or effective, does not mean goon-shill is therefore less of a propagandist. i mean, what kind of a shitty apologist non-argument is that?
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Feb 4 2020 11:03am
Quote (fender @ Feb 4 2020 10:48am)
it's a joke "argument", but he's not "joking" when he makes it. can you really not make that simple distinction?

oh, and speaking of "willfully ignorant" - do you acknowledge that i repeatedly stated throughout this discussion, that islamist terrorism should be its own category? i'm asking because you just ignored that point after wrongly suggesting i "tried to put them on the right".

also, just because he might not be efficient or effective, does not mean goon-shill is therefore less of a propagandist. i mean, what kind of a shitty apologist non-argument is that?


Hey Goebbels since I know you spend a lot of time watching this shit, can you tell me who the president is? Thanks.
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Feb 4 2020 11:09am
Quote (fender @ Feb 4 2020 09:48am)
it's a joke "argument", but he's not "joking" when he makes it. can you really not make that simple distinction?

oh, and speaking of "willfully ignorant" - do you acknowledge that i repeatedly stated throughout this discussion, that islamist terrorism should be its own category? i'm asking because you just ignored that point after wrongly suggesting i "tried to put them on the right".

also, just because he might not be efficient or effective, does not mean goon-shill is therefore less of a propagandist. i mean, what kind of a shitty apologist non-argument is that?


calling islamist leftists wholesale IS the joke. i dont know how many times i need to say that for you to get it, its a really sad fishsticks moment for you. you dont get it, we get it, and we get you dont get it. but sure, keep arguing. its helping your case lol.....

you repeatedly said they were in their own category, just like goomshill. why would i acknowledge something no one involved disagrees with as if it was some salient point?

and u keep up with the buzzwords in every post. sure, continue to be incapable of having a friendly conversation except once a month when i assume you've been beaten by your wife's boyfriend into a stooper. really at the end of the day you are just a person someone should only talk to if they're looking for a terse argument. ive never once met someone who fits the angry sjw meme so well, you are the ironic "fun at partys" guy.

i wouldnt have jumped in at all, but i figured a simple "he was joking" could avoid pointless semantic arguments on a topic that even if flushed out you two dont agree on. egg on my face i suppose.
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Feb 4 2020 11:58am
To my point.. terrorism in any form is over dramatized in comparison to it's impact on our world.
Here it has a LOT of information. Even speaks to Europe.
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism

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Feb 4 2020 12:13pm
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To my point.. terrorism in any form is over dramatized in comparison to it's impact on our world.
Here it has a LOT of information. Even speaks to Europe.
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism


terrorism isnt terrifying because of the body count. it's terrifying because it's happening in grocery stores, restaurants, schools, concerts, public transport, etc. something most of us do on a weekly or even daily basis. it's unsettling not because you think you will be attacked, its terrifying because no where seems entirely safe. as compared to years past when people died in combat zones and most of "white america" was a safe place.
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Feb 4 2020 12:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 4 2020 09:23am)
They have a death count going already. Its not a big one, but theres bodies in the ground



More frequent lower kill count per attack compared to white supremacists, mostly surged in the BLM years. Otherwise daily mundane hate crimed


Phillip Morris puts them all to shame.
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Feb 4 2020 03:30pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2020 18:09)
calling islamist leftists wholesale IS the joke. i dont know how many times i need to say that for you to get it, its a really sad fishsticks moment for you. you dont get it, we get it, and we get you dont get it. but sure, keep arguing. its helping your case lol.....


it's A joke. but one that we recognise as such, while goom defends it as valid point - completely in line with his usual propaganda. he argued that directly to you as well, so this is really just you yet again unable to admit you were wrong, and trying to save face by projecting hard.

Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2020 18:09)
you repeatedly said they were in their own category, just like goomshill. why would i acknowledge something no one involved disagrees with as if it was some salient point?


wrong. when i pointed that out, he wrote an essay arguing against it.

Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Feb 2020 18:09)
and u keep up with the buzzwords in every post. sure, continue to be incapable of having a friendly conversation except once a month when i assume you've been beaten by your wife's boyfriend into a stooper. really at the end of the day you are just a person someone should only talk to if they're looking for a terse argument. ive never once met someone who fits the angry sjw meme so well, you are the ironic "fun at partys" guy.

i wouldnt have jumped in at all, but i figured a simple "he was joking" could avoid pointless semantic arguments on a topic that even if flushed out you two dont agree on. egg on my face i suppose.


keep it up with your boring personal attacks every time you lack on topic arguments. i guess that's just who you are - and please don't pretend you were interested in a 'friendly conversation'. your very post was a ridiculous misrepresentation of my reply to goon-shill, and ever since you engaged in bad faith and dishonest arguments and lies. i don't know what your issue is, i can only guess your wife finally found the courage to tell you what an insufferable tool you are, and that you are in no position to tell her or anyone which words to use, because you're significantly less intelligent than you think you are. (how was that for my first try?)
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Feb 4 2020 03:56pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 4 2020 08:44am)
I don't see why we can't acknowledge the 2014 vegas shootings as terrorism at least partly motivated by tea party ideology. I mean, they shouted "this is a revolution" and brought a Gadsden flag (and swastika). They clearly had other issues compounded with those motivations (and no shortage of... issues).


Awesome, so now apply the same logic you are using with Antifa to every Tea Party supporting Republican.

You've shattered your own "both sides don't do it" argument lol
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