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Quote (EndlessSky @ 26 Jan 2017 04:36)
2013 was an anomaly


you're the "anomaly"....

http://huet.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2016/11/Evolution-de-lextension-de-la-banquise-arctique-en-octobre.png
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well, I certainly dont deny global warming or that it is an issue.
but this graph is misleading in the sense that it doesnt show the uncertainty associated with that regression line. you have 2 outliers with high leverage at 2007 and, in particular, at 2016. take away that one single data point, which could well be an outlier, and the trend line is much less steep.

in general, the long-term trend of a loss of arctic sea ice is undeniable and alarming. at the same time, antarctic ice volume isnt declining at all.

I know that there is ample evidence for global warming, but you cant infer global warming from arctic sea ice levels alone.
moreover, climate is known to have fluctuated throughout history. the decisive question isnt if there is global warming in recent decades, the question is whether it is manmade; and if yes, to which extent.
this is THE question that decides if our resources should go to prevention of further global warming, or if they should go to the mitigation of its effects.

a simple graph of ice levels in one region of the world over a very specific period (1979+) with a simplistic regression line provides absolutely no answers to these questions.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jan 2017 08:08)
well, I certainly dont deny global warming or that it is an issue.
but this graph is misleading in the sense that it doesnt show the uncertainty associated with that regression line. you have 2 outliers with high leverage at 2007 and, in particular, at 2016. take away that one single data point, which could well be an outlier, and the trend line is much less steep.

in general, the long-term trend of a loss of arctic sea ice is undeniable and alarming. at the same time, antarctic ice volume isnt declining at all.

I know that there is ample evidence for global warming, but you cant infer global warming from arctic sea ice levels alone.
moreover, climate is known to have fluctuated throughout history. the decisive question isnt if there is global warming in recent decades, the question is whether it is manmade; and if yes, to which extent.
this is THE question that decides if our resources should go to prevention of further global warming, or if they should go to the mitigation of its effects.

a simple graph of ice levels in one region of the world over a very specific period (1979+) with a simplistic regression line provides absolutely no answers to these questions.


summed up quite well, but i wouldnt call it evidence, because there is none
i would rather say strong hints that are most likely not a coincidence
for my standpoint the physics of our sun, its activity and cycles, and astronomical conditions (that are the reason for ice ages for example), while being very active research topics, barely find a place in climate discussions

aside from that, if we continue like this we dont really need climate change to make this planet unhabitable :bonk:
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:rofl:
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Weird i thought for sure he'd get the interior position to fix america's crumbling bridge infrastructure.
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Jan 26 2017 12:12pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 26 2017 11:09am)
Weird i thought for sure he'd get the interior position to fix america's crumbling bridge infrastructure.


Duffman and Cam would say he is a big part of the reason the bridges are crumbling
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Jan 26 2017 12:14pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jan 26 2017 12:12pm)
Duffman and Cam would say he is a big part of the reason the bridges are crumbling


that's only walking bridges.
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Jan 26 2017 12:34pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 26 2017 09:31am)


Laughed out loud at my job

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Weird i thought for sure he'd get the interior position to fix america's crumbling bridge infrastructure.


Should work on the crumbling cake infrastructure too.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Jan 26 2017 12:35pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 25 2017 11:40pm)
How about you just hop in excel and plot it yourself.

But you can literally just look at it yourself


And the Antarctic's grew by 10%... your argument is actually invalid.
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