With all due respect sir, I don't believe healthcare should be run like a business. It is inherently not-for-profit.

When I was paying for insurance I couldn't afford to get sick. Now I can afford it, because I'm banking $900/month rather than shitting it down a rabbit hole.

Also, I should note that we're directly taxed (FICA) for Medicare our entire working career. That tax is 1.45% of our income, with a matching tax by our employer of 1.45% (self-employed pay the full 2.9%). On top of that, Medicaid is taken from our taxes to pay off claims, but isn't "directly taxed" and non-returnable like Medicare and social security. The bill for Medicaid in 2020 was $359.6 billion, which translates to $1027 per man, woman, and child in the nation, OR if we're talking about Employed people $2282 per person. If we're talking about Medicare, the total was roughly $308 Billion. So, there's $667.6 Billion currently going into "public healthcare" in the US, yet we can't even afford to scratch the surface of our overall needs. Note, that's very close to our Military costs.

I would highly question that a government that continually makes thing worse and is already spending $667.6 Billion/year on "healthcare" is somehow magically going to be able to make things "better" when full control of that system is handed to them.

I see. But what do you propose for other people who can't afford to see a doctor? What should they do?


So how come socialized medicine works in my country then? Is our government less corrupt/less incompetent than yours?

You should get a real job if your healthcare costs that much. Being poor is expensive. Have you tried making money?

fortunately in the USA we have free universal affordable healthcare, required for people to have by law if they dont have insurance through a job or spouse/family, that the Democratic party benevolently passed in 2009. The media and lefties said so and the Supreme Court (headed by Roberts in a 5-4 vote) said it is totally constitutional as per the individual mandate

Dude, you shouldn't talk to him like that. He is trying to have a real conversation with us.

Make more money is legitimate advice.

In general, they should stop paying for "insurance" and bank the money for future needs. If they can't afford to see a doctor for something like cancer or whatever, setup a gofundme. Charity is given freely, not taken at the barrel of a gun. Once again, this is a failing of people to understand basic personal finance. You should never truly live "paycheck to paycheck". Things like health insurance and extra taxes cause this. $900/month is a shit ton to pay for insurance, and is enough to pay for 7 doctors visits out of pocket. Drop it into a savings account and allow it to accrue interest, and keep dropping it in (or whatever amount the insurance would otherwise cost), and leave it be. Later on in life, it can pay your medical bills, it can buy you a house, or if you die unexpectedly, it can provide your inheritor with an unexpected windfall.

Once upon a time, regular folk were expected to be able to plan for their own futures. Why on earth would we give over this personal responsibility to a government that allows half a million people to be homeless, then opens up residential property to foreign and hedge fund investment to hyperinflate the price of housing so they (the government) can gain more in property taxes, saddling the young with high rent costs and severely reducing their ability to ever own their own homes?

As for the second point, dunno what country you're in. How can I provide an answer?



My healthcare costs nothing. My savings account is looking outstanding though, now that I'm not paying the healthcare costs via insurance of obese keyboard warriors who only stand up long enough to waddle into their kitchen for another 3 liter bottle of coke and family sized bag of doritos.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 9 2021 04:28pm

But you didn't say, "have you tried to look for a job that pays more?"

You said, "have you tried making money?" Sorry sir, but to me that sounds mean-spirited.

Oh, that's because it is. Bob and I have a history.