Ask President Biden.

I would pay money to a psychic to know if Trump caused his own loss in Georgia. He made a LOT of bad decisions in 2019-2020.

It’s odd you care about that lol. So what

I heard US health insurance propose to open GoFundMe accounts to be able to get heart surgery.
Sure thing Trump loves the idea. What a wonderful show

https://www.gofundme.com/c/blog/surgery-assistance

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 9 2021 12:22pm

He caused his own loss in the entire United States. All he needed was a swing of 0.63% in his favor to win a 2nd term. Throughout much of 2020, the conventional wisdom was that the rails were falling off for Trump. Between impeachment, the covid mess, the race riots and the bad campaign he was running (much less energy than 2016, sad!), most people assumed that he would need a small miracle to win this and that a genuine blowout was more realistic.

In the end, it turned out that this had always been a VERY winnable race for Trump that he needlessly blew. In hindsight, it's actually kinda amazing to see how much shit he could have gotten away with.

What does this have to do with Trump? There's always been a high out of pocket cost, either via co-pay or premiums, to major surgeries in the US.

The easiest way to cut the cost down is to cut the cost of materials by ramping up manufacturing, cut down the cost of labor by opening up more competition, or find better ways to conduct the surgery that are less labor intensive.

Or, I mean, you could just raise the tax rate to 80% so that the working class can no longer afford rent. Whatever suits you, I guess.

1. trump said he'd fix insurance, and even claimed victory when he eliminated the mandate tax.

2. in a medicare for all system (that i wouldnt vote for) family medical costs actually decrease. taxes go up, premiums, drug costs, and out of pocket costs go down by a lot. unless by working class u mean single 20-30 something healthy males. m4a would for sure hit incel culture hard.

1. That's an awfully bold statement. Removal of the individual mandate was a minor victory. After doing that (what, his first week in office?) he tried to work with Congress to get a repeal of the ACA, reopen insurance across state lines (competition), etc. There was a big brouhaha regarding McConnell's plan vs Ryan's plain. Ryan's plan (simple repeal and move on from there) lacked 2 votes to pass. Those two votes? McConnel and McCain. So yes, there was a small win with the EO regarding non-enforcement of the individual mandate. But the bulk, aka the existence of the ACA? Neither Trump's fault, nor does he get credit for it's removal. That still falls onto Obama and his Vice President... President Joe Biden.

2. Out of pocket costs immediately go up for the healthy. Why? Because they're being taxed. For those who have many health issues, costs *may* go down. That's absolutely not a guarantee. The one part I would support about a M4A plan would be that we could now literally say, "I'm paying for your healthcare, you fat fuck. You are now mandated to eat healthy and exercise, or go to jail, where you will eat health, exercise, and be raped on a frequent basis by your cellmate. Your choice." But in all honesty, right now with all the nursing shortages, layoffs, and consolidations that've been wrecking the "healthcare system" since covid shut down most non-emergency care, we're at our WORST point for any attempts to "fix" the system.

analysis ive seen shows that most people who have healthcare now arent looking at a tax thats much if any more than their current plan. the main group affected are the uninsured and young people. and on the same line in a single payer i dont even understand how costs couldnt go down given our gap in what we pay for the exact same services or prescriptions as other first world nations that have socialized healthcare. in short i dont see how we could pay more, it seems unlikely costs would remain the same, and i can see a clear path for it to cost less.

the greatest concern has always been and remains that m4a essentially triples the federal budget overnight, potentially forever throwing the federal/state balance of power into a perilous place.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 9 2021 01:30pm

The primary concern I see is that any time in the US that corporations gain a captive audience, prices go up. When multiple epi pens were mandated for every member of the military, for instance, prices of epi pens rose by... What was it? 20x? The same occurs with PPE, medical equipment, etc. The second problem you'll see if hospitals are run by the state is the complete unionization of all non-MDs. Meaning nurses unions, janitors unions, security unions, etc. They're now public employees capable of unionizing and striking at a moment's notice for any reason they want. They now hold the US Taxpayer hostage.

The other problem is that the US still bars foreign competition in a lot of our pharmaceutical market. So yeah, you buy the $120 Albuterol inhaler in the US, or you can go to Mexico, get the exact same US produced inhaler for $5. This is a near across the board factor. You can buy US Medicines cheaper in nearly every other nation in the world. Why? Either to compete with local producers, or due to mandated prices. AKA, the US Citizen is currently subsidizing US Pharma so that they can make massive profits selling to the rest of the world.

So, where costs floored in other nations that deal heavily with the US medicinal and medical equipment market, the assumption that our prices would reduce to match is kind of naïve. Because all those who produce the products that the healthcare industry need would still be private companies, and not only likely maintain their prices, but raise them further, as they now have the Taxpayers hostage. The secondary concern would be an immediate strike and renegotiation of payrates of all low level employees, further raising costs.

Also, I love how you jump to "incel" talk. Public healthcare means that the healthy pay for the sick. Done. What's that mean? A healthy woman with no kids or healthy kids, no husband or healthy husband, has to pay the costs of sick kids not her own, sick men not her own, and sick women that aren't her. Way to put a further burden on working women, you sexist pig.