Quote (Handcuffs @ May 8 2016 10:49pm)

I use the 10 posts per page model, so some relevant things:

OP: Should society actively shame fat/obese people so that they lose weight, because their weight has health implications that not only harm the individual but put a burden on society from medical expenditures? (Essentially in opposition to the 'Health at Every Size' mantra/movement).

Pages 1 - 10: Discussions about the ethics of "shaming", from those who both oppose and support the idea, but then also the effectiveness of shame-based approaches. Towards the end: some discussion about the evolutionary basis of attraction v. the historical differences of what defined 'beauty' in relation to size throughout time.

Pages 16 - 20: Discussion of food deserts and low-income neighborhood/families being less likely able to afford healthy food options and have the knowledge of how to cook/eat healthy.

Pages 21 - 36: Discussion about diets, especially veganism, as being truly 'health conscience' v. just being anti-fat. Pointing out that fat shaming isn't grounded in "health" as much as people claim it to be, and that it's instead just anti-fat.

Pages 39 - 40: Some basic introduction to the 'health at very size' mantra, and noting that a person's size does not directly correlate to their health in and of itself.

Pages 47 - 50: Veganism, again, and the implication of hypocrisy by those who are anti-fat for 'health reasons and the burden on society' but whose own diet contributes to not only medical issues, but also environmental issues.

Pages 51 - 56: Discussion about being anti-fat v. pro-health. Getting at the crux of the argument as to why it focuses purely on 'fat' and not all the other varied ways in which people are unhealthy and whether 'shame' is a moral/effective strategy for engagement.

Pages 61 - 66: tric makes a cameo. More talk about veganism.

Pages 77 - 79: Discussion of genetic factors related to obesity, with some arguing they play a significant role and others saying they're a scapegoat for poor eating behavior.

Page 80: Discussion of the potential effects of shaming on people who are fat and whether it would motivate people to lose weight at all, and if so, in healthy v. unhealthy ways.

Pages 88 - 91: Arguments for and against the BMI as a reliable metric.

tl;dr: Some people are definitively anti-fat and think we should shame fat people, while others do see the issue of 'fat' being a problem but don't think shaming people is moral and/or effective. Then others argue that the anti-fat sentiments are hypocritical and are disguised under the veil of being about "health", but that they're just anti-fat.

Quote (duffman316 @ May 11 2016 03:59pm)

people writing about how horrible they feel when other people talk about weight loss instead of seeing it as encouragement :wacko:

http://i.imgur.com/Xw34ZdM.png

-just realized second one was a copy paste of someone else
anyone ever encounter this kind of talk from a friend or family member? or do they keep it to themselves and just post about it on the internet

Quote (GodSmiter @ 12 May 2016 01:07)

Tbh I didn't think I was disgusting when i was more overweight than now. A lot of people cheer on those who do weight loss, but only because they look better, not because they are healthier (most of the time).

Quote (duffman316 @ 11 May 2016 22:59)

people writing about how horrible they feel when other people talk about weight loss instead of seeing it as encouragement :wacko:

http://i.imgur.com/Xw34ZdM.png

-just realized second one was a copy paste of someone else
anyone ever encounter this kind of talk from a friend or family member? or do they keep it to themselves and just post about it on the internet

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I was reading an EverydayFeminism article about unrealistic beauty standards, and I was liking it and thought it was fairly on point, and then I got to something that makes me scrunch up with anger every time I see it.

"Everyone is beautiful."

In an article denouncing sweeping proclamations about women and women's bodies, this was especially infuriating.

Everyone is NOT beautiful. This is tautological! It's axiomatic! It doesn't even require explanation or justification or proof!

Some people are beautiful. Some people are ugly. And that's okay. By insisting that "everyone is beautiful" what you're really saying is "being ugly is bad and unacceptable, but don't worry, no one is ugly."

I am ugly. I am not beautiful. If you call me beautiful I'll show you my ugly middle finger and then the door. And didn't the people who say these things see The Incredibles? If everyone's beautiful, then no one is, and the word loses meaning.

And before anyone even suggests it, no, I am most certainly not taking into account "inner beauty" because that's metaphorical. Someone who's ugly and really intelligent is ugly and really intelligent. They're not "beautiful" in a non-physical way, they don't have a "beautiful mind." They have a smart mind and an ugly face. But who cares?

Someone who's ugly and produces great art isn't a "beautiful soul." They're an artistic soul in an ugly body. But who cares?

I understand the mindset behind "everyone is beautiful," I get what's trying to be said, I really do; they're trying to fight back against cultural obsession with beauty and the glorification of a narrow sort of body type and the implied shunning of other body types, and I appreciate that, but while their intentions may be good, their results are ugly. You're not uplifting anyone. All you're doing is rendering the word "beautiful" meaningless, reinforcing the notion that to be ugly is something dreadful, emphasizing the importance of appearance in your very attempt to de-emphasize it, and condescending to ugly people. (We know we're ugly, and your attempt to preserve our feelings by pretending we're not is treating us like children.)

Watch the "fat girl rant" from Louie and replace "fat" with "ugly" and you get my message. Saying "everyone is beautiful" is like telling a fat girl "you're not fat." It's not nice, it's not positive, it's mean and ignorant and infuriating.

I am not beautiful, and fuck you for implying otherwise.

Quote (GodSmiter @ May 11 2016 06:07pm)

Tbh I didn't think I was disgusting when i was more overweight than now. A lot of people cheer on those who do weight loss, but only because they look better, not because they are healthier (most of the time).

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ May 11 2016 09:17pm)

This fatty has some issues.

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ May 12 2016 04:17am)

Actually I'd applaud their willpower to actively make their lives better. I don't care if they do it for health or beauty or both.

This fatty has some issues.

Quote (Razors2 @ May 12 2016 01:13am)

To be quite honest, I agree and disagree with shaming fat people.

I agree with being fat as unhealthy and it is their fault for staying that way.

But... Some people are born that way and whatever they try to do to help slim them down, they gain it all back. Just like that.

Quote (duffman316 @ May 12 2016 02:38am)

that's because people go on a healthy diet and exercise for a while and then once they get some results they go right back to the junk they were eating before

what's really needed is a life style change