Ukraine instigated a conflict against Russia. Russia has nuclear weapons. surely you see the fallacy of your statement regarding Israel ? you cant say that Ukraine has a right to exist but the Palestinians do not. its the same principle. one people are a minority, and they have a neighbor that is far more powerful. If you tell one country to fight and not the other, whats the rationale ?

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 28 2024 05:29am

Untrue. There you go again pushing the false narrative.

Eastern Ukraine, is still Ukraine. Russia instigated seperatism there in order to control that part of a sovereign country.

Gaslighting is kind of boring. Isn't there anything we can discuss based on reality?

this is double standards. Ireland and Scotland were not as technologically advanced against England but they still resisted and look were Ireland and Scotland are now. well, Ireland anyway. We can only hope that David Cameron has another brain fart and purposes another Scottish referendum. To say that smaller countries should not resist larger technologically advanced countries is pursuing the mantra of might is right.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 28 2024 05:46am

Even if we take what your saying to be true, I don't believe it is but I acknowledge your opinion.

Your saying Ukraine instigated a war with Russia, (by the way even saying that should set alarm bells ringing. Russia, a country 4-5 times its size in population with nuclear weapons, why any country would instigate its own invasion is crazy)

So you say Ukraine instigated war with Russia, and that justifies or explains what Russian is doing.
Hamas clearly instigated a war with Israel, and yet you don't believe Israel reaction is justified or explained?

Is there nuance to this that is important? As in do you believe Israel's response is disproportionate? And that is unjustified.
Would the same then not apply to Russia's level of escalation? A regional separatist conflict in the Donbas leading to full scale invasion. Lets not pretend it was anything less. They were all in from the start, Feb 2022.


Edit - There are plenty of arguments to suggest Scotland has greatly benefitted from its Union with England, Wales and NI. Together they were the dominating global power for at least a century and waning into another.
The massive drawdown on that is WW1 and being led into a pointless war in name of King and country. Neither of which were truly Scottish. As in not a Scottish king and the UK not being a country in the traditional sense.

Ireland obviously has its own story that is similar and vastly different.
What is currently taking place is interesting. Maybe there is scope for a Ireland re-unification thread, or a broader thread about nationalism.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Mar 28 2024 05:48am

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I'm a nationalist and a republican. But yes they along with Welsh and Northern Irish shaped about 70% of the world as we know it. Pax Britannica junior, look it up.

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I dont agree with your statement.

Hamas did not clearly instigate a war with Israel just as the Easter Rising in ireland did not clearly instigate a war with England. Decades of oppression, theft and murder instigated an act of terrorism and the response was swift and brutal. What is happening in Gaza is not war. it is horror. And to answer your question yes 100% it is disproportionate. There is no history that I am aware of, of proportionate response.



This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 28 2024 05:54am

Hamas murder over 1100 people, and you don't believe that is instigating a response?

ofc it is instigating a response. But then years of brutality instigated 7/10. Also, on an aside, Hamas did not murder over 1100 people. Best not to ask me to clarify this statement you can go read it yourself, in the Israeli newspapers.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 28 2024 05:56am