If you think that most Democratic politicians even want to do that, you're the one who's a fool lol. Biden won't even say he wants a public option. He won't even say "Yeah, I'd want this if I could get it, but I'm going for an ACA expansion because it's feasible". No, he's saying "I want an ACA expansion and that's it". He had to be beaten over and over again to even say a public option could be on the table.

Pay attention to what they say instead of what you want them to say. This fantasy where Democrats are just itching to go left but won't because of electoral consequences is nonsense. THE POLLING IS CLEAR AND FURTHER LEFT POLICIES ARE WILDLY MORE POPULAR THAN THE CURRENT POLICIES. Again, Florida voted a $15 minimum wage while voting in Trump. They are only held back by not going for left wing populism.



Look at policing. You barely even get Democrats saying we should add funds for mental health workers to take appropriate 9/11 calls. Biden repeats over and over "I do not want to defund the police". This is "Crime Bill Biden". What are you smoking that "Crime Bill Biden" is going to start defunding the police with a famous prosecutor and DA as his VP?

Seriously, I didn't cherry pick taxes. The entire list is you fabricating Democrat positions. Democrats are not leftists. They are barely even liberal.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 24 2021 10:42pm

These polls have to be treated with a ton of caution. Democratic strategists are smart enough to realize that; you apparently are not. But we've already had discussions about the reliability and implications of these polls multiple times; not interested in rehashing them.

Out of curiosity: if you believe that going further to the left on healthcare, the minimum wage and stuff like is a huge electoral winner, with girthy majority support among Americans at-large and even higher approval among Dem primary voters - why haven't progressives completely taken over the party yet? If what you say were true, it should be easy for them to beat the "corporate Democrat" incumbents in pretty much every left-of-center seat, i.e. almost all seats currently held by their party.

Sorry, but that's a load of bullshit. We're coming off of a summer during which one of the closest political allies of the Democratic party, namely black activists, were calling for a defunding of the police. They were encouraged by the Dem establishment (e.g. Pelosi and Harris) and sympathetic journalists while cities were burning and people of color were killed by riotous mobs. After the election, which was disappointing for Democrats in the House and on the state level, you had numerous prominent moderate members of the party publicly lashing out against its more progressive wing along the lines of "stop talking about 'defund the police', it's killing us at the polls". But of course I'm just making all this stuff up... Why do you think Biden keeps saying that he does not want to defund the police - why does he feel the need to stress this fact in the first place? It's because his party as a whole got too far out there in terms of messaging during the "summer of BLM" and thus almost blew an election that they should have won in a landslide.


The "crime bill biden" argument is crap. During the 90s, when Biden was a sponsor of the crime bill, this tough on crime approach was where the political winds were blowing, where the center of his party was. Biden went along with it, like he has always done on every issue throught his entire career. The crime bill does not prove that Biden supports conservative crime policies because that's his unwavering, ideological position - it merely proves that he's an opportunist with good political instincts.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 24 2021 10:59pm

Because in America we have a totally fucked electoral system where billionaires can pump in massive amounts of money to overwhelm the message.

It's really common that independent pacs get a ton of money and start running flat out untrue ads against further left candidates. One in particular voted against the Democratic party platform and had an ad run against her recently saying she didn't want to raise the minimum wage or expand medicare, even though that's the whole reason she voted against the party platform, because it didn't include those things. Even the media cooperates. The polls in 2016 on the primary debates were super clear. Among people who watched the debates, Bernie won every single one hands down. Among people who didn't and watched news coverage the next day, they said Clinton won. That's not an accident.

The media is in on it too. Here in America when watching CNN, you used to see oil company ads just randomly show up. Not advertising a product. Just saying "We're BP. We exist". They did that because if they buy a ton of air time they dissuade news coverage of global warming, and it worked. News coverage of global warming in the United States was massively suppressed.




The sad thing is you get all these Covid conspiracy theories about Bill Gates and whatnot, and the real conspiracy is sitting staring everybody in the face. There is no illuminati, no secret kabal of child molesting politicians (I mean, some of them might, but that's not the point). It's just rich people influencing both parties to keep policies that help the average person from going into effect.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 24 2021 11:27pm

You very much are repeating a bunch of propaganda.

The best you can get from Kamala is her saying "don't let up". Hardly a call to violence, and hardly a massive show of support for defunding the police. Pressley famously said.... "There should be unrest in the streets". Again, have to reach pretty far to call that encouragement for defunding the police. Pretty much any kind of protest falls in that category. Oh, and let's not forget Pelosi saying "I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be" over a year before the protests actually happened.

These are just things I've heard. If you have more specific ones please bring them, because the "encouragement" I saw hardly constitutes the party actively calling for defunding the police. What I saw was pretty bland. Seemed more like they were giving the absolute minimum level of support.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 24 2021 11:13pm

https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1381702744310943750?s=20

"We can't reform this." - Ayanna Pressley.

We don't have to reach far at all, she is literally comparing traffic stops to slave patrols.

What does AOC have to say?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding



I find it hard to imagine how she could possibly be more clear.

Let's let the Vice President weigh in on this.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/kamala-harris-responds-to-trumps-defund-police-attack-reforming-doesnt-mean-we-get-rid-of-police-of-course-not/



Biden is probably the only major figure who has come out against defunding the police, and even he waffled during his campaign on whether he supported redirecting funding, in line with what Kamala applauded above. The Democrat establishment allowed urban centers across the country to follow through with defund efforts without any serious pushback or complaint. Now they're running from it because it's immensely unpopular within their own party and the general public is extremely concerned with rising violent crime.

Talking with thor is a waste of time.

Note that I did not claim that these national Democratic leader directly endorsed 'defund the police', I said that they kept endorsing and supporting the prominent movement (BLM) which at the time was laying siege to American cities while calling for police to be defunded. So what Democrats did essentially boils down to a complete lack of distancing themselves from the idea, rather than an outright endorsement.

Also see bogie's post for further examples of national Democrats embracing local 'defund the police' pushes.

Oh, look who just got nominated by uber-moderate Biden to lead a federal agency and was approved by conservative Dem senators like Joe Manchin (so conservative he falls somewhere between Mussolini and Hitler**):
A women with strong ties to eco-terrorists* and who called children an "environmental hazard", humans a "resource that we have in abundance" and made jokes about cannibalism.

*she was investigated for tree spiking, but not prosecuted after testifying against her comrade-in-arms, who served prison time
**according to thor


What a gullible fool I am for considering it possible that Biden might enable far-left radicals...








https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/07/04/student-tracy-stone-manning-sent-letter-behalf-eco-saboteurs-its-now-complicating-her-chance-lead-bureau-land-management/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/biden-nominee-involved-in-historic-eco-terrorism-case-told-americans-to-stop-at-one-or-two-children-in-her-thesis

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 25 2021 01:04pm

She needs to be in prison for the rest of her life.