got 9/9. dumb survey with cherry-picked “data”

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 24 2021 07:52pm

For Dems my standard deviation is 9, so I'm somewhere around -7 to +11 out of touch. That's pretty reasonable.

For Republicans it's not as good since I had two big outliers. +- 18.

The first question I was most mismatched on in Republicans was "racism still exists in America". I said 50% because I wasn't sure. I was somewhere between 50% and 100% agree that racism still exists, but it's a really vague question so I didn't know how far to pull it.

The second was "Donald Trump is a flawed person". I said that 80% would agree with that statement but it's less than 50%.

So I underestimated how many Republicans admit racism exists, and underestimated the power of the Trump cult, but they cancelled each other out since they were opposite magnitudes.



Overall I don't think this test is particularly valuable. I think my score is pretty much in-line with my understanding of the parties positions, but I'm also a political junky that drops any news source that doesn't routinely reference numbers.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 24 2021 07:54pm

Yeah, that one got me too. I guess on this question, there's a big disconnect between those who were drawn to Trump based on his policies and the ideological realignment he promised, and those who were primarily drawn to him by his personality and the "he owns the libs"-factor.




I don't think this survey is particularly scientific. Iirc, More In Common is a think tank or project with a particular political agenda, not a neutral research group. It also felt as if the statements were deliberately chosen to be very tame, watered down, uncontroversial, so that the measured polarization, judged on these items, ends up being lower than conventional wisdom.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 24 2021 08:05pm

Republicans live in a country whose institutions want to kill them. When a Republican reads that question they assume the asker is a libshit and do the opposite of whatever he would want.

To me, that's a horrible number, that less than 50% would agree with such a watered down and non-controversial statement. It really highlights how far gone the Republican party is. Liberals never let up on Obama. The right made fun of people like Jessie Jackson who said he wouldn't criticize Obama, but on the ground floor liberals were pretty merciless. Republicans are a cult, and that cult mentality hasn't gone away even though Trump's been out of office for 6 months.

Of course it's a ridiculous number. How can anyone in their right mind deny that Trump is a flawed person?

Time will tell. If the GOP really wants to roll with Trump again in 2024, it's gonna be a bloodbath. He couldnt beat Biden with incumbency, before the storming of the Capitol and before his selfish antics cost his party the Senate. I dont see how he could even come close to doing it after everything that happened since election day. The Biden presidency would need to be a real disaster for Trump to have a chance.


But like we've discussed ad nauseam, I don't think that Trump is a shoo-in for the nomination.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 24 2021 09:13pm

Yeah but, dude. You see numbers like less than 50% of Republicans acknowledging Trump is flawed, and then you look at Democrats and say they might abandon a 50 year history and suddenly start governing so far to the left they might catch up to modern nations healthcare plans.

Like, you make the weirdest criticisms of Democrats when it's Republicans acting like a cult.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 24 2021 09:41pm

Healthcare is not the field on which I'm afraid of Dems straying too far to the left...
Their policies (and even more so their agenda) on free speech, policing, gender, race, immigration, climate, economic freedom, taxes, transferring power to unelected international institutions, guns and many other things are all absolutely disastrous.

The assault on "our" freedom, safety, prosperity and way of life by the 'modern' leftist/liberal parties needs to be defeated before it makes sense to debate wealth redistribution or expanded social safety nets. If AOC and her ilk have their way, there will be nothing left to redistribute. And the saddest thing about all of it is that most liberals don't even realize how they're being used as pawns by the Bezos and Soros of this world in an attempt at transforming the West into some sort of China 2.0, full of unfree and dependent worker drones, just with the billionaire class in place of the CCP.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 24 2021 10:36pm

You just listed a bunch of areas that 90% of Democrats are insanely conservative on. For instance, Biden didn't even fight to go back to the OBAMA TAX RATES.

I think you need to look at what Democrats do instead of what you wish they were doing, because when you say you're worried about Democrats in X area and those areas they are like 3% away from Republicans it makes you look like a fool. It really speaks to the point I was literally just making. You see 50% of Republicans saying their leader doesn't even have a flaw, their previous leader incited a violent attack on the confirmation of the election he lost, their elected officials are involved in the Qanon movement.... and you're worried that Democrats will raise taxes from 25% to 29%. Get your head out of your ass.

As for your "Using as pawns by Bezos and Soros"... get your head out of your ass on that too. You think Republicans don't want that? They passed a tax bill as soon as they had the chance where 80% or more of the benefits went to the top 1%, and didn't expire while the tax cuts on everybody else expired. They are constantly fighting against unions and trying to pass right to work. They are the proponents of giant corporations and indefinite mergers. Democrats aren't a ton better, but they are a bit better, and you're acting like they're worse.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 24 2021 10:25pm

The US did have one of the highest corporate tax rates (at least on paper) in the world before the Trump tax cuts. Fully going back to the old rate would not make much sense. Dems are well-advised to focus more on actually enforcing the existing tax rules and close loopholes.

But alright, taxes are perhaps not a good example. Still: if you think that 90% of Democrats are "insanely conservative" on issues like policing, gender, race, immigration, climate or free speech, you're either delusional or a left-wing radical.




The debate was about what Democrats would want to do if they had all the power and didnt have to worry about electoral repercussions. If you seriously think that the Dems would not go significantly further to the left on the fields I listed if they didn't have to fear a voter backlash, then it is you who's a fool.

That a sizeable share of the Trump base are fucking morons is an entirely different story and is no excuse for the shortcomings of the Democrats.



The Republican establishment is utter trash and the lackeys of the donor class too, I never said otherwise.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 24 2021 10:39pm