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Aug 12 2022 03:24pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 12 2022 02:17pm)
Sorry. I was over at the neighbor's house.


The whole issue of whether the warrant is justified is right here...

https://i.imgur.com/z0MutGX.png



...and we know nothing about the "affidavits or testimony", that this warrant is based on.
Since the question at large is: Was the warrant justified... we still don't know if it was or not.



Given that they found exactly what they were looking for, seems like it was!
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Aug 12 2022 03:26pm
Imho, the Democratic DoJ went nuclear (pun intended) by making such heavy accusations against Trump. If you investigate a former president for the friggin Espionage Act, you better come up with conclusive and tangible evidence - otherwise, the whole operation will backfire spectacularly in the realm of public opinion.
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Aug 12 2022 03:33pm
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Imho, the Democratic DoJ went nuclear (pun intended) by making such heavy accusations against Trump. If you investigate a former president for the friggin Espionage Act, you better come up with conclusive and tangible evidence - otherwise, the whole operation will backfire spectacularly in the realm of public opinion.




Yep. We don't like you or want you to run in 2024 is not exactly probable cause. In fact, it isn't even close.
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Aug 12 2022 03:35pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 12 2022 04:17pm)
Sorry. I was over at the neighbor's house.


The whole issue of whether the warrant is justified is right here...

https://i.imgur.com/z0MutGX.png



...and we know nothing about the "affidavits or testimony", that this warrant is based on.
Since the question at large is: Was the warrant justified... we still don't know if it was or not.


Been wondering about the warrant application and process myself. FBI had a scathing internal review for fabricating documents for FISA warrants. Then the whole Steele dossier. They mess up again and I'm not sure we can use FBI acronym.
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Aug 12 2022 03:35pm
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Yep. We don't like you or want you to run in 2024 is not exactly probable cause. In fact, it isn't even close.


Can you explain why he had 11 sets of classified documents he wasn't supposed to have?
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Aug 12 2022 03:38pm
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Can you explain why he had 11 sets of classified documents he wasn't supposed to have?


because he succesfully passed numerous background checks years ago and has clearance as a former president ?

LMFAO u clowns are too dumb
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Can you explain why he had 11 sets of classified documents he wasn't supposed to have?




You know I can't. For one, I wasn't on his staff. :)

The issue here is not whether he had the documents... he obviously did.
The issue is whether or not there was probable cause to issue the warrant in the first place.

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Aug 12 2022 03:42pm
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You know I can't. For one, I wasn't on his staff. :)

The issue here is not whether he had the documents... he obviously did.
The issue is whether or not the warrant had sufficient probable cause.


You're usually a pretty level headed individual and I don't pretend to know EXACTLY what documentation you sign when becoming POTUS but generally from what little I do know you give away certain rights and the burden of proof required to cast reasonable suspicion or to get any sort of warrant is much lower for those who have access top classified documentation.


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You're usually a pretty level headed individual and I don't pretend to know EXACTLY what documentation you sign when becoming POTUS but generally from what little I do know you give away certain rights and the burden of proof required to cast reasonable suspicion or to get any sort of warrant is much lower for those who have access top classified documentation.




Trump is, at present, a civilian. He has the same rights as you and I.
One of those rights is the right to NOT have his house, etc., searched without probable cause.

This is the exact same thing the FBI did in 2016, right after Trump won.
The "fabricated" evidence to obtain search warrants for... just about everyone Trump knew.

Then, they offered those they search, without probable cause, jail time or rat on Trump.

They even wire tapped Trump Tower, illegally, before Trump won.

This post was edited by Ghot on Aug 12 2022 03:49pm
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Trump is, at present, a civilian. He has the same rights as you and I.
One of those rights is the right to NOT have his house, etc., searched without probable cause.


So what you're saying is all those contracts and NDA's you sign don't matter the moment you leave office? Dude, you sign an NDA with a job and quit or get fired that shit is still legally binding.

Anyways I'm not going to debate that with you.

But let's play that "What If" game from both sides. What if they didn't have enough for a warrant and found the documents?

Now let's look at the other side what would be the explanation for "What If" they did.

There's a lot of assumptions right now but the facts we know are he was served with a search warrant and they found classified documents.
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