Quote (Beowulf @ May 8 2016 05:13pm)

He got butt hurt because a fat reality tv star has a show and because a fat model got some attention which was addressed early in the thread and every time a point was brought up he bailed as he does in all of his threads



and he continues to dodge this point

Quote (Beowulf @ May 8 2016 05:13pm)

He got butt hurt because a fat reality tv star has a show and because a fat model got some attention which was addressed early in the thread and every time a point was brought up he bailed as he does in all of his threads



and he continues to dodge this point

Quote (duffman316 @ May 8 2016 03:15pm)

there's nothing wrong with being fat on tv but there is something wrong glorifying obesity as perfectly healthy and being seen as an inspiration for a morbidly obese people - telling them they don't have to do better, it's impossible to lose weight and that they are fine the way they are

i don't know what kind of anorexic models you've been watching but with regards to physical fitness i see guys like stallone as motivation to get into shape, it's a good thing - the expendables movie series is what pushed me to get off my ass and start going to the gym so that i don't have problems with physical limitations when i reach old age

if you're throwing up on the toilet every night in an attempt to get to where you think you ought to be, the problem isn't the celebrities you see on tv, the problem is you don't know how to get to where you want to be and that's a different matter

Quote (Beowulf @ May 8 2016 06:25pm)

stallone uses growth hormone and large amounts of testosterone which creates unrealistic expectations for males in the same way models do for females and causes a lot of problems in modern gyms with young males and females using unnecessary drugs that screw up their hormones and can lead to a lot of health problems as well as a screwed up sex drive from the lack of education on use

Quote (duffman316 @ May 8 2016 03:58pm)

i found out about the roids almost a year after i started going to the gym regularly but it's a habit now so i keep at it and i don't do roids

Quote (Santara @ May 8 2016 09:34pm)

So, there are real discussions going on? Seems like it's all a basis for attacking an unpopular group.

Thanks handcuffs, I really didn't expect such an excellent summary. GG

Quote (Beowulf @ May 8 2016 07:06pm)

The point isn't your individual story it is that I notice when it comes to unhealthy lifestyles being pushed it's always only aimed at the unattractive

Unrealistic body and beauty expectations effect many many people and yet only a select group of them are targeted.

Why? because you find them disgusting not because you find them unhealthy as we could talk a thousand other unhealthy lifestyles but never do, it's always the fatties

Women are destroying their faces and bodies on the inside and out to try to keep up with what jerkoffs find attractive which is absolutely destructive and unhealthy but as long as they look hot we don't discuss it

the same can be said about people shooting their bodies full of drugs and oils in their teens and twenties trying to reach a reflection that is probably never going to occur however the bodily damage will and we don't discuss that either

shaming people has consequences and if a lot of the consequences are unproductive because it leads to issues that cause weight gain it just shows this is about how people look and how people feel about it and NOT anything helpful or productive

Quote (duffman316 @ May 8 2016 04:29pm)

i've already brought up the issue of discrimination against smokers 90 something pages ago as something i agree with as i don't think society should accept it and you seemed quite indifferent yourself

and that this thread isn't about going out of your way to bully obese people but to reject the messages of this culture of telling people that it's possible to be morbidly obese and healthy, and that there are medical conditions that make it impossible to lose weight. this particular thread is about the obese folks because it's become controversial to suggest they eat right and exercise where as i send the same message to skinny folks all the time though there's no controversy there with telling them they're going to have problems with mobility in old age if they don't start now.

Quote (Handcuffs @ May 8 2016 04:49pm)

I use the 10 posts per page model, so some relevant things:

OP: Should society actively shame fat/obese people so that they lose weight, because their weight has health implications that not only harm the individual but put a burden on society from medical expenditures? (Essentially in opposition to the 'Health at Every Size' mantra/movement).

Pages 1 - 10: Discussions about the ethics of "shaming", from those who both oppose and support the idea, but then also the effectiveness of shame-based approaches. Towards the end: some discussion about the evolutionary basis of attraction v. the historical differences of what defined 'beauty' in relation to size throughout time.

Pages 16 - 20: Discussion of food deserts and low-income neighborhood/families being less likely able to afford healthy food options and have the knowledge of how to cook/eat healthy.

Pages 21 - 36: Discussion about diets, especially veganism, as being truly 'health conscience' v. just being anti-fat. Pointing out that fat shaming isn't grounded in "health" as much as people claim it to be, and that it's instead just anti-fat.

Pages 39 - 40: Some basic introduction to the 'health at very size' mantra, and noting that a person's size does not directly correlate to their health in and of itself.

Pages 47 - 50: Veganism, again, and the implication of hypocrisy by those who are anti-fat for 'health reasons and the burden on society' but whose own diet contributes to not only medical issues, but also environmental issues.

Pages 51 - 56: Discussion about being anti-fat v. pro-health. Getting at the crux of the argument as to why it focuses purely on 'fat' and not all the other varied ways in which people are unhealthy and whether 'shame' is a moral/effective strategy for engagement.

Pages 61 - 66: tric makes a cameo. More talk about veganism.

Pages 77 - 79: Discussion of genetic factors related to obesity, with some arguing they play a significant role and others saying they're a scapegoat for poor eating behavior.

Page 80: Discussion of the potential effects of shaming on people who are fat and whether it would motivate people to lose weight at all, and if so, in healthy v. unhealthy ways.

Pages 88 - 91: Arguments for and against the BMI as a reliable metric.

tl;dr: Some people are definitively anti-fat and think we should shame fat people, while others do see the issue of 'fat' being a problem but don't think shaming people is moral and/or effective. Then others argue that the anti-fat sentiments are hypocritical and are disguised under the veil of being about "health", but that they're just anti-fat.