Go back and read what was said. The description was "notable" and "noteworthy" and because you and void got caught in a really stupid opinion you're building a strawman.

You're just repeating the same shit and not responding to anything.

Ah, so the standard for whether something matters is how long the mainstream media covers it? And when did you adopt this standard?

What's interesting to me here is you always fall back into "nothing matters lol" mode. Whether it's a Trump story or Biden story, the response is the same, albeit from different angles. And I find it interesting because so much of the Putin/Russian propaganda does the same thing, falling back into a sort of nihilism about events in the world, in order to justify(or make meaningless) their immoral actions.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 4 2023 04:53pm

You guys seem to be focusing more on the event as it pertains to Biden personally than I am, perhaps because you don't like Biden or you're just used to thinking about positive events for a president in terms of how well it makes the president look. It's not about Biden, it's about what the American president is signaling, and the historical significance, of visiting Ukraine in this moment.

No the standard is literally dozens of people went there including many heads of state and in no way were ever threatened by Russia while doing so. So when Biden goes there and walks outside in Kiev with 37 cameras around snapping every shot, a rational political literate person realizes what it is, same tier as AOC posing for sad shots by metal bars or Greta being carried off by cops while there's a camera entourage there to capture the right shot. The 'real' news is not the visit but what happened with the weapons pledges and other things that had nothing to do with him going there.

So the reason why we don't talk about is not because 'nothing matters' it's because by now we've developed the instinct to discern between actual news and noteworthy events and things in this world and that are largely filler. But you were obsessed with every little minutiae regarding orange man that the idiot box talked about, not surprised you have no nose for things that actually matter that happen in this world.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 4 2023 05:01pm

The president does that to spur public engagement with the conflict and maintain the will to provide support.

It signals that the president is willing to expend and generate political capital to continue the support which is important when politicians are so notoriously fickle.

You think you're making the big brain take by "seeing through the gestures" but really you've stopped well short of the full analysis.

I have to agree in one regard: Biden visiting Kyiv, but not East Palestine, does indeed carry strong symbolism and makes it quite clear where his priorities lie.

Yep. Where the president spends his time is massively significant.

He's taking a huge L on the train derailment and using that to support Ukraine. It shows he's in it for the long haul on Ukraine and not so much on labor and health issues at home.

Probably gonna cost him in the next election but I doubt he realizes how bad it looks. Sends a pretty big signal that he isn't going to support unions and workers but will bend over for the military contractors.

US commitment to provide Ukraine was evident with 100+ Bn of aid in 2022 and the hundreds of speeches we've heard from the administration, republicans, democrats, literally everyone. Him going there doe not a change the status quo, therefore it's not significant nor is there much symbolism because we already knew this administrations position. Nothing changed pre versus post visit, it was a photoshoot and just a public display, both for our public and Ukraine's public.

If Xi Jinping tomorrow announced that he will be going to Kiev in a show of support, something like that would be fucking massive. Even Scholz going there after doing a 180 with the Leopards was massive, because once again let me spell it out, it shows some different course versus prior, therefore significant.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 4 2023 05:23pm

Well, it should have been obvious that "Scranton Joe" is not actually the friend of unions or the little man after Biden had sided with capital and used the power of the government crush a railroad strike in which the workers were making very reasonable demands straight out of the Democratic platform, like e.g. paid sick leave.

If the standard isn't whether the mainstream media covers it for a significant period, why did you bring that up?

Yeah, I already answered this, again you are just reposting the same arguments again and again while adding new hyperbole without addressing my points.