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Quote (thundercock @ 23 Jul 2021 00:50)
Indeed, which is why 2022 will be a very interesting election. If the Republicans win in a landslide, I think it will show that it's really hard to have consequences for your actions relative to the general pattern of incumbent backlash.


Ooooor it shows that bad policies and messages by Democrats offset the "sins" of the GOP, so that the usual midterm backlash against the incumbent prevailed.

Basically the opposite of what happened in 2020, when Democrats came off of 4 years of pulling bullshit, were on track to receive their reckoning on election day (in the form of another 4 years of Trump with GOP control of Congress), but then got bailed out by a once-in-a-century pandemic. Thanks to the pandemic, anti-Trump and anti-Democrat backlash more or less offset, so that Democrats won by getting their base to turn out without bleeding support to third parties like in 2016 (which was an election that was lost by Hillary more than it was won by Trump).

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Jul 22 2021 05:20pm
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Ooooor it shows that bad policies and messages by Democrats offset the "sins" of the GOP, so that the usual midterm backlash against the incumbent prevailed.

Basically the opposite of what happened in 2020, when Democrats came off of 4 years of pulling bullshit, were on track to receive their reckoning on election day (in the form of another 4 years of Trump with GOP control of Congress), but then got bailed out by a once-in-a-century pandemic. Thanks to the pandemic, anti-Trump and anti-Democrat backlash more or less offset, so that Democrats won by getting their base to turn out without bleeding support to third parties like in 2016 (which was an election that was lost by Hillary more than it was won by Trump).


Policies no, messaging yes. Even the most informed people on this forum have immense difficulty accurately describing the Democrat's policies. Given that most of the electorate is woefully unequipped to choose correctly, it really does come down to messaging.
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Jul 22 2021 05:47pm
Quote (thundercock @ 23 Jul 2021 01:20)
Policies no, messaging yes. Even the most informed people on this forum have immense difficulty accurately describing the Democrat's policies. Given that most of the electorate is woefully unequipped to choose correctly, it really does come down to messaging.


Well, both parties have significant internal division right now. The GOP between those who want to silently get rid of Trump and those who want to double down on him, the Democrats between the old guard establishment wing and the new guard progressive wing.

I think what it also comes down to is that Biden is a far less dominant figure than Trump or Obama were. On messaging in particular, he is a weak leader. He might do a lot of leadership behind the scenes, but when it comes to being the face of his party and conveying a coherent message about what his party stands for and where it wants to take the country, he's a dud.

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Jul 22 2021 05:58pm
election of trump was people's way of giving the giant middle finger to the establishment. Not necessary left or right thing but because the the voices haven't been heard and your opinion doesn't matter message of the government.

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Well, both parties have significant internal division right now. The GOP between those who want to silently get rid of Trump and those who want to double down on him, the Democrats between the old guard establishment wing and the new guard progressive wing.

I think what it also comes down to is that Biden is a far less dominant figure than Trump or Obama were. On messaging in particular, he is a weak leader. He might do a lot of leadership behind the scenes, but when it comes to being the face of his party and conveying a coherent message about what his party stands for and where it wants to take the country, he's a dud.


I don't think there's much internal division anymore. The GOP is fully behind Trump except for like 2 members of Congress. The progressive wing has no power and is being laughed at for threatening to tank both the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill.

Biden's message is pretty clear to me: address COVID and get the big spending passed. Voting rights are secondary and everything else is irrelevant.
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I don't think there's much internal division anymore. The GOP is fully behind Trump except for like 2 members of Congress.

You misunderstood me: no one except for like 10 members of Congress wants to abandon Trump-style politics. The division is between those who want to go with "trumpism without trump", and all the tactical preparations and maneuvering that come with it, and those who want Donald Trump the person to remain the focal point of the GOP (and its candidate in 2024).

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Jul 22 2021 07:23pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 22 2021 06:47pm)
Well, both parties have significant internal division right now. The GOP between those who want to silently get rid of Trump and those who want to double down on him, the Democrats between the old guard establishment wing and the new guard progressive wing.

I think what it also comes down to is that Biden is a far less dominant figure than Trump or Obama were. On messaging in particular, he is a weak leader. He might do a lot of leadership behind the scenes, but when it comes to being the face of his party and conveying a coherent message about what his party stands for and where it wants to take the country, he's a dud.


Republicans all agree on policy but don't like Trump's style.

Democrats don't agree on policy but agree on style.

That's why Republicans are more effective.
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Jul 22 2021 08:28pm
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Republicans all agree on policy but don't like Trump's style.

Democrats don't agree on policy but agree on style.

That's why Republicans are more effective.


Pretty much, yes. But that's a function of Democrats being a big tent party, which comes with advantages and disadvantages. Dems have the slightly bigger base, but it's more fractious and requires slightly more effort to turn out. Due to their smaller base/lower ceiling, Republicans kinda have to be more efficient to stay competitive.

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Jul 22 2021 08:39pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jul 22 2021 07:20pm)
Policies no, messaging yes. Even the most informed people on this forum have immense difficulty accurately describing the Democrat's policies. Given that most of the electorate is woefully unequipped to choose correctly, it really does come down to messaging.


We understand it. Its just stupid and satanic.

The only reason why the Democrats even win is because the country's average IQ is now 95 due to immigration.

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WAPO claims 75mil of “stop the steal” funding trump keeping for himself. Amount given to overturning the election


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Trump always been smarter than his supporters.
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