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Jun 27 2021 01:36am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 27 Jun 2021 09:33)
Are you filtering by national and the president tab?


Yes.

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I was just using the "age" at the top while filtering by the specific race. I didn't realize there was a specific "age by race" section.


The story is still largely the same.

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I was just using the "age" at the top while filtering by the specific race. I didn't realize there was a specific "age by race" section.


The story is still largely the same.


Strange that the different filtering uses different age groups...

What's interesting is that age was still a somewhat significant predictor among white voters in 2016.
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Same brackets as in your data:
D: 43/37/34/39
R: 47/54/62/58.


To compare the two election cycles:
Whites
2016: R +4/+17/+28/+19
2020: R +9/+16/+19/+17



But you're right, the age effect in 2020 mostly goes away once we group by race.
Essentially, the takeaway is something like the following: in 2012, polarization by income peaked; in 2016, polarization by race peaked; and in 2020, polarization by education peaked (while that by income, race and age was down).
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 27 2021 03:04am)
Strange that the different filtering uses different age groups...

What's interesting is that age was still a somewhat significant predictor among white voters in 2016.
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Same brackets as in your data:
D: 43/37/34/39
R: 47/54/62/58.


To compare the two election cycles:
Whites
2016: R +4/+17/+28/+19
2020: R +9/+16/+19/+17



But you're right, the age effect in 2020 mostly goes away once we group by race.
Essentially, the takeaway is something like the following: in 2012, polarization by income peaked; in 2016, polarization by race peaked; and in 2020, polarization by education peaked (while that by income, race and age was down).


2016 was notorious in that it was the first time there was a massive break in education among whites.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2020
White: D: 51/32 R: 48/67 Whites are massively more likely to vote Republican if they have no college degree
2016
White: D: 45/29 R: 48/66

CNN's website doesn't work but here's a graph on it that contains 2012 data.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-become-the-first-republican-in-60-years-to-lose-white-college-graduates/

Trump massively lost white college educated voters, whereas before it was pretty in-line with their proportion of all voters.
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2016 was notorious in that it was the first time there was a massive break in education among whites.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2020
White: D: 51/32 R: 48/67 Whites are massively more likely to vote Republican if they have no college degree
2016
White: D: 45/29 R: 48/66

CNN's website doesn't work but here's a graph on it that contains 2012 data.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-become-the-first-republican-in-60-years-to-lose-white-college-graduates/

Trump massively lost white college educated voters, whereas before it was pretty in-line with their proportion of all voters.


Yup, like I said: the "Trump realignment" swapped college educated whites for non-college whites in roughly equal numbers. Trump didnt expand the Republican coalition, but made it more efficient.
A second term for him would have gone badly for the GOP though, so I guess they dodged a bullet.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 27 2021 02:23am
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what a fraud leftie will not talk about or acknowledge
Who gave the order for vote counting to stop on Nov 3, 2020? 11.03.21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jo70PgHrUjUY/
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But Barr told me he had already concluded that it was highly unlikely that evidence existed that would tip the scales in the election. He had expected Trump to lose and therefore was not surprised by the outcome. He also knew that at some point, Trump was going to confront him about the allegations, and he wanted to be able to say that he had looked into them and that they were unfounded. So, in addition to giving prosecutors approval to open investigations into clear and credible allegations of substantial fraud, Barr began his own, unofficial inquiry into the major claims that the president and his allies were making.

“My attitude was: It was put-up or shut-up time,” Barr told me. “If there was evidence of fraud, I had no motive to suppress it. But my suspicion all the way along was that there was nothing there. It was all bullshit.”

....

Barr also looked into allegations that voting machines across the country were rigged to switch Trump votes to Biden votes. He received two briefings from cybersecurity experts at the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI. “We realized from the beginning it was just bullshit,” Barr told me, noting that even if the machines somehow changed the count, it would show up when they were recounted by hand. “It’s a counting machine, and they save everything that was counted. So you just reconcile the two. There had been no discrepancy reported anywhere, and I’m still not aware of any discrepancy.”


After Barr's ABC interview where he said there was no evidence of substantial voter fraud, at the White House:

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Trump brought up Barr’s AP interview.

“Did you say that?”

“Yes,” Barr responded.

“How the fuck could you do this to me? Why did you say it?”

“Because it’s true.”

The president, livid, responded by referring to himself in the third person: “You must hate Trump. You must hate Trump.”

...

After going through his litany of claims—stolen ballots, fake ballots, dead people voting, rigged voting machines—Trump switched to other grievances, shouting at Barr for failing to prosecute Biden’s son Hunter. “If that had been one of my kids, they would have been all over him!” he said. By the end of the meeting, Trump was doing almost all of the talking. Why hadn’t Barr released John Durham’s report on the origins of the Russia investigation before the election? Why hadn’t he prosecuted former FBI Director James Comey? Trump was banging on the table. He said that Barr had been worthless.


Barr certainly portrays himself in a positive light... but I suppose he does deserve credit for his statement denying substantial voter fraud. And Trump comes across as a fucking madman, because that's what 74 million Americans want apparently.
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Jun 27 2021 09:55am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 26 2021 08:18pm)
Oh look, yet another incredibly slanted piece from Adam Serwer in which he rails against Republican attempts at changing election laws to their benefit, declares the GOP a threat to democracy and uses this as a justification for his calls on Democrats to pass "structural reforms" which would entrench Democratic power. "The other side is such an existential threat to democracy that we have to contort democracy/rig the system to ensure that they never get into power again."

Also, why is he so in love with his favorite buzzword of "multiracial democracy"? It's prominently featured in every single one of the 17 or 24 or so articles that he has written since the election. Time for the guy to find a new shtick, this one is getting old.


The fight over democratic reforms and election laws is all about democracy. Democrats want to make the system more democratic, Republicans want it to be less democratic. You see this in the rhetoric both sides use, as Serwer points out. The right talks about "real Americans", and constantly paints the darkies not on the right as not real Americans. Trump asked the squad to go back to their own countries(even though some were born here). The most popular right-wing guy on television, Tucker Carlson, constantly beats that white nationalist drum about darkies and foreigners replacing the true, white America. Just yesterday at Trump's rally, MTG talked about AOC not being an American, and how she should be locked up. This rhetoric is everywhere on the right if you pay attention.

I think it's kind of obvious from the piece why he uses the phrase "multiracial democracy". For most of America's history, we haven't been one, and a major storyline in America is us grappling with not living up to our founding ideals by restricting the rights of non-white Americans. That's probably not something that would get included in the 1776 curriculum, but it happens to be true.
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Jun 27 2021 11:11am
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The fight over democratic reforms and election laws is all about democracy. Democrats want to make the system more democratic, Republicans want it to be less democratic. You see this in the rhetoric both sides use, as Serwer points out. The right talks about "real Americans", and constantly paints the darkies not on the right as not real Americans. Trump asked the squad to go back to their own countries(even though some were born here). The most popular right-wing guy on television, Tucker Carlson, constantly beats that white nationalist drum about darkies and foreigners replacing the true, white America. Just yesterday at Trump's rally, MTG talked about AOC not being an American, and how she should be locked up. This rhetoric is everywhere on the right if you pay attention.


It's important to keep in mind what all this recent fuss is about: in 2020, because of covid, Dem-controlled state legislatures and state courts dramatically loosened the modalities of casting a vote, in some cases in blatantly unconstitutional fashion (e.g. PA). Due to covid, there were unique circumstances which justify these actions, but that doesn't change the fact that they helped the Democrats at the margins. (Trump would still have lost the election, but Perdue would have gotten over the hump and avoided the runoff, giving us a 51-49 GOP Senate, etc.)

A lot of the GOP legislation that Democrats and their allies in the media are describing as an "assault on democracy" is actually just a rolling back of these dem-favoring voting law changes which were passed in the year of the pandemic. At the same time, the Democrats are currently trying to ram through their wishlist, which would entrench their power for years to come, perhaps for as long as the current (sixth?) party system lasts. And they are trying to do so on the tiniest of majorities in Congress. Majorities which they presumably only have due to the - in many cases legally questionable, in some cases outright unconstitutional - voting reforms of 2020.

And while an ugly undercurrent of racism or race-baiting in GOP rhetoric is undeniable, it should be kept in mind that they place white liberals firmly in the camp of the "not real Americans". This rhetoric is dangerous, and a lot of it goes too far for my taste, but it shouldn't be blown out of proportion either. Democrats (and their allies in the media and federal bureaucracy) spent the better part of 5 years railing against Trump's deplorable base, insinuating that Trump was not a legitimate president and that his election should be undone. As an example, just look at this piece from 2019 in which a retired general publishes/was allowed to publish a thinly veiled call for a coup against Trump: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/opinion/trump-mcraven-syria-military.html



Don't get me wrong though. I understand where you're coming from, just wanted to offer an alternative perspective.

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The fight over democratic reforms and election laws is all about democracy. Democrats want to make the system more democratic, Republicans want it to be less democratic. You see this in the rhetoric both sides use, as Serwer points out. The right talks about "real Americans", and constantly paints the darkies not on the right as not real Americans. Trump asked the squad to go back to their own countries(even though some were born here). The most popular right-wing guy on television, Tucker Carlson, constantly beats that white nationalist drum about darkies and foreigners replacing the true, white America. Just yesterday at Trump's rally, MTG talked about AOC not being an American, and how she should be locked up. This rhetoric is everywhere on the right if you pay attention.

I think it's kind of obvious from the piece why he uses the phrase "multiracial democracy". For most of America's history, we haven't been one, and a major storyline in America is us grappling with not living up to our founding ideals by restricting the rights of non-white Americans. That's probably not something that would get included in the 1776 curriculum, but it happens to be true.


Yeah honestly if you are like the squad or any of these other pieces of shit who doesn't love America you should just leave..

That is the height of privilege... Living in one of the best countries in the world and making up fake shit to get outraged about

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