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Jun 26 2021 09:49pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 26 2021 08:43pm)
With identity politics running rampant in the U.S., and with the electorate being deeply and sharply polarized along demographic lines, the impact of persuasion and ideas is extremely limited. It most definitely is impossible for the GOP to persuade enough people to overcome the Democrats' larger base. Let me put it like this: in an environment with 100% turnout, the GOP would never win a national election again, at least not as long as the coalitions are configured the way they are at the moment.





Btw, fun fact: according to CNN exit poll data, Trump won voters who mostly decided based on the candidates' issue positions by a decent margin in 2020, it's just that he lost the quarter of the electorate which mostly voted on the personal qualities of the candidates by a 2-1 margin:
https://i.imgur.com/VRiRGYu.jpg
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results
Essentially, voters thought that Trump had the better ideas than Biden in 2020, but it was not enough to overcome their rejection of his personality.


it couldnt be election fraud?
Who gave the order for vote counting to stop on Nov 3, 2020? 11.03.21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jo70PgHrUjUY/
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Jun 26 2021 09:49pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 26 2021 11:43pm)
With identity politics running rampant in the U.S., and with the electorate being deeply and sharply polarized along demographic lines, the impact of persuasion and ideas is extremely limited. It most definitely is impossible for the GOP to persuade enough people to overcome the Democrats' larger base. Let me put it like this: in an environment with 100% turnout, the GOP would never win a national election again, at least not as long as the coalitions are configured the way they are at the moment.





Btw, fun fact: according to CNN exit poll data, Trump won voters who mostly decided based on the candidates' issue positions by a decent margin in 2020, it's just that he lost the quarter of the electorate which mostly voted on the personal qualities of the candidates by a 2-1 margin:
https://i.imgur.com/VRiRGYu.jpg
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results
Essentially, voters thought that Trump had the better ideas than Biden in 2020, but it was not enough to overcome their rejection of his personality.


When people get what they vote for, we should congratulate them!



Thundercock is too chickenshit to admit that the reason why he can't be honest anymore and plays stupid tit-for-tat politics is because demographics determine electoral victory now.
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Jun 26 2021 10:14pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 26 2021 11:49pm)
When people get what they vote for, we should congratulate them!

https://news.thetrumptimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Joe-Biden-4-dollar-gas-prices.jpg

Thundercock is too chickenshit to admit that the reason why he can't be honest anymore and plays stupid tit-for-tat politics is because demographics determine electoral victory now.


Trump was the coup de grace to the GOP. If you had picked a less polarizing figure, you guys could have salvaged your tragic fate. Cherish those 4 years of merriment. :)

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Jun 26 2021 10:23pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 26 2021 08:43pm)
With identity politics running rampant in the U.S., and with the electorate being deeply and sharply polarized along demographic lines, the impact of persuasion and ideas is extremely limited. It most definitely is impossible for the GOP to persuade enough people to overcome the Democrats' larger base. Let me put it like this: in an environment with 100% turnout, the GOP would never win a national election again, at least not as long as the coalitions are configured the way they are at the moment.





Btw, fun fact: according to CNN exit poll data, Trump won voters who mostly decided based on the candidates' issue positions by a decent margin in 2020, it's just that he lost the quarter of the electorate which mostly voted on the personal qualities of the candidates by a 2-1 margin:
https://i.imgur.com/VRiRGYu.jpg
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results
In this sense, one could argue that voters thought Trump had the better ideas than Biden in 2020 - but it was not enough to overcome their rejection of his personality.


Do you see how ridiculous that is? If the Democrats have a larger base, then they deserve to govern at the national level. There's no reason why Republicans can't chip into the Democratic base. There's simply no incentive for them to do so because they can win with minority coalitions. Once they start consistently losing elections, they'll have better ideas because they'll be forced to. The same principle applies to Democrats which is why they are trying so hard to distance themselves from the AOC types. The AOC types aren't popular enough to win nationwide.
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Jun 26 2021 10:41pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 27 2021 01:49pm)
When people get what they vote for, we should congratulate them!

https://news.thetrumptimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Joe-Biden-4-dollar-gas-prices.jpg

Thundercock is too chickenshit to admit that the reason why he can't be honest anymore and plays stupid tit-for-tat politics is because demographics determine electoral victory now.


Hi, former high ranking executive for a top 5 largest oil company on earth here.
When covid hit the economy shut down, fuel demand was crippled.. refineries can not shut down or stop, they have to keep running..
There was a massive influx of oil and fuel and no demand for it..
Prices dropped to near zero on oil and fuel went down to just below cost.
Now the economy is picking back up and fuel prices are rising..
Fuel companies want to recoup as much lost profit as they can.
This would have happened with literally any person on the planet in charge and is happening world wide.

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Jun 26 2021 10:54pm
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Hi, former high ranking executive for a top 5 largest oil company on earth here.
When covid hit the economy shut down, fuel demand was crippled.. refineries can not shut down or stop, they have to keep running..
There was a massive influx of oil and fuel and no demand for it..
Prices dropped to near zero on oil and fuel went down to just below cost.
Now the economy is picking back up and fuel prices are rising..
Fuel companies want to recoup as much lost profit as they can.
This would have happened with literally any person on the planet in charge and is happening world wide.


Gas prices were also higher under Trump and Obama at certain points in their presidencies too. White culture dictates that you have to bitch about SOMETHING.
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Jun 26 2021 11:02pm
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Gas prices were also higher under Trump and Obama at certain points in their presidencies too. White culture dictates that you have to bitch about SOMETHING.


It also had substantial hikes right after katrina for similar reasons.
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Jun 26 2021 11:02pm
Quote (thundercock @ 27 Jun 2021 06:23)
Do you see how ridiculous that is? If the Democrats have a larger base, then they deserve to govern at the national level. There's no reason why Republicans can't chip into the Democratic base. There's simply no incentive for them to do so because they can win with minority coalitions. Once they start consistently losing elections, they'll have better ideas because they'll be forced to. The same principle applies to Democrats which is why they are trying so hard to distance themselves from the AOC types. The AOC types aren't popular enough to win nationwide.


What an unsophisticated take. Democrats have the larger coalition, but it is more fractured and contains a larger share of low propensity (and probably also of low info) voters than the more coherent GOP base. That's the starting position in most races on the national level or in swing states: Democrats have the higher ceiling, but it requires them more effort to actually turn all of their base out. Assuming super high turnout like I did in my hypothetical scenario eliminates this drawback of the configuration of the Dem coalition.
In reality, turnout hovers between 40 and 70%, and in this range, Republicans are still very much competitive.


The problem is not with Republicans being unable to chip into the Democratic base - the crux is doing so without losing parts of their present coalition in the process. This type of zero-sum voters swap occurred during the Trump years. In 2016, the parties swapped some non-college whites for college whites. In terms of the popular vote, it was a wash, but it made the GOP coalition more efficient in the EC and the Senate. In 2020, Trump didn't get blown out because his (further) erosion among college whites was largely offset by all non-whites trending toward Republicans. 1980 was probably the last time there was a non-zero-sum realignment.


Also, let's just note for a moment that the opposite rarely if ever occurs. Democrats mostly dont even try to chip into the GOP base - they simply don't have to, they rather import their voters and wait for demographic change to do the heavy lifting for them. The backdrop of American politics is that the Democrats are constantly getting stronger without having to persuade any of the current voters.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 26 2021 11:04pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 27 2021 03:02pm)
What an unsophisticated take. Democrats have the larger coalition, but it is more fractured and contains a larger share of low propensity (and probably also of low info) voters than the more coherent GOP base. That's the starting position in most races on the national level or in swing states: Democrats have the higher ceiling, but it requires them more effort to actually turn all of their base out. Assuming super high turnout like I did in my hypothetical scenario eliminates this drawback of the configuration of the Dem coalition.
In reality, turnout hovers between 40 and 70%, and in this range, Republicans are still very much competitive.


The problem is not with Republicans being unable to chip into the Democratic base - the crux is doing so without losing parts of their present coalition in the process. This type of zero-sum voters swap occurred during the Trump years. In 2016, the parties swapped some non-college whites for college whites. In terms of the popular vote, it was a wash, but it made the GOP coalition more efficient in the EC and the Senate. In 2020, Trump didn't get blown out because his (further) erosion among college whites was largely offset by all non-whites trending toward Republicans. 1980 was probably the last time there was a non-zero-sum realignment.


Also, let's just note for a moment that the opposite rarely if ever occurs. Democrats mostly even try to chip into the GOP base - they simply don't have to, they rather import their voters and wait for demographic change to do the heavy lifting for them. The backdrop of American politics is that the Democrats are constantly getting stronger without having to persuade any of the current voters.


Wait the party that believes in Qanon and that the election was stolen are the high info party?
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Jun 26 2021 11:09pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 27 Jun 2021 07:04)
Wait the party that believes in Qanon and that the election was stolen are the high info party?


At least back in 2016, Trump voters had the higher education level. This might be in the process of flipping though, iirc, Biden very narrowly carried college-educated voters in 2020.

Note the Democrats can have a large number of high info voters and, at the same time, also a large number of low info folks.
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