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Oct 24 2022 09:12am
Quote (Mondain @ Oct 24 2022 10:06am)
Very good, do you have any other points to contribute or just going to quote me with a non-witty reply?


Now's the part where you say

"You're right, I will do better next time"

Instead of being arrogant.

I mean, that's what a good person does when proven wrong at least.
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Oct 24 2022 10:57am
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Great political move.

"Hey guys, we're doing real steps to reduce the burden on you. They literally want you to stay in debt slavery your entire life because you dared to get an education."


"Hey guys, we have no actual solution to the underlying problem, but here is a conveniently-timed freebie for one of society's more privileged groups (which just happens to be one of our core constituencies) that will be debt-financed and ultimately paid for by poorer, less privileged folks. Also, screw you if you did 'the right thing' and already paid off your student loan debt. We the Democrats do not reward such behavior."
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2022 11:57am)
"Hey guys, we have no actual solution to the underlying problem, but here is a conveniently-timed freebie for one of society's more privileged groups (which just happens to be one of our core constituencies) that will be debt-financed and ultimately paid for by poorer, less privileged folks. Also, screw you if you did 'the right thing' and already paid off your student loan debt. We the Democrats do not reward such behavior."


That's not nearly as easy to message. And so is a failure
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Oct 24 2022 12:30pm
Joe 2024 :drool:
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That's not nearly as easy to message. And so is a failure


Well, the easy, populist message they put out just blew up in their face, so I don't know if this whole episode can be considered a "great political move". ;)

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2022 02:32pm)
Well, the easy, populist message they put out just blew up in their face, so I don't know if this whole episode can be considered a "great political move". ;)


Forgiving student loans is super popular.

So it was pretty good.

Republicans are now anti small amounts of loan forgiveness which is a pretty extreme position

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 24 Oct 2022 21:36)
Forgiving student loans is super popular.

Is it? A very recent poll from a month ago says otherwise:
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/voters-split-student-loan-forgiveness-new-poll-shows-rcna48490

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Forty-three percent of voters believe that President Joe Biden's student loan forgiveness plan was a good idea, while 44% of voters say it was a bad idea, a September NBC News poll finds.
By party, 78% of Democrats call the plan a good idea, while only 11% of Republicans say the same. 34% of independent voters say it's a good idea and 49% of independents say it's a bad idea.


Unsurprisingly, opinions split according to who would or would not personally benefit from this policy:
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Among voters who have student loans, which was about 17% of those surveyed, 69% agree that Biden's plan was a good idea, versus 22% of the same group who believed it was a bad idea.
Among voters who don't have student loans, or about 66% of those surveyed, only 36% agree that Biden's plan was a good idea. 48% of that group say that forgiving up to $20,000 in student loans is a bad idea.


If you have a more recent or higher quality poll which says otherwise, I'm open to hear it. Anyway, according to this NBC poll, Biden's student loan forgiveness plan isn't really popular with the overall public and deeply underwater with independents as well as the majority of people who don't have student loans.




But okay, apparently the expectation that people actually pay back the debt they voluntarily incurred is nowadays considered to be "a pretty extreme position". :unsure:

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Oct 24 2022 02:39pm
pay up you lazy dipshits with your trash degrees

10 minutes of research could have revealed that piling up 100k in debt for a dead end 50k a year job is not the best idea

why would a young plumber making 100k a year now pay for the shitty decisions of other people? they could have done this as well

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But okay, apparently the expectation that people actually pay back the debt they voluntarily incurred is nowadays considered to be "a pretty extreme position". :unsure:


Man you've devolved into a republican talking point dispenser at this point. You used to at least pretend to be neutral. Now you just repeat everything uncritically.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2022 11:57am)
"Hey guys, we have no actual solution to the underlying problem, but here is a conveniently-timed freebie for one of society's more privileged groups (which just happens to be one of our core constituencies) that will be debt-financed and ultimately paid for by poorer, less privileged folks. Also, screw you if you did 'the right thing' and already paid off your student loan debt. We the Democrats do not reward such behavior."


Its much easier to pass political posturing social programs by executive order when you know they will get struck down as unconstitutional. Democrats don't benefit from student loans being forgiven, they benefit from the perception they are forgiving student loans. They figured out how to get their cake and eat it too. Joe Biden signed that EO with full knowledge, at least as much as he can be cognizant despite his dementia, that it would never possibly survive a court challenge. The president can't just wave a hand and conjure up trillions of dollars of appropriations. It was bad enough when presidents were trying to short circuit congress on relatively tame and small appropriations and still getting struck down, but trillions? Lmao.
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