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Jan 7 2021 11:55am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 11:53am)
Those with weapons were already arrested, and we agree.

Those who engaged in property damage we agree.

Touching something is not a crime, we disagree. If they caused damage to the staffer's office or personal effects, sure. But touching something? Come on man. Be real.

I would add to your list: Anyone who attacked a police officer without first being attacked BY that police officer. And there were a few who did so and were not arrested.

But as it turns out, we mostly agree. All based around criminal actions beyond some petty misdemeanor. And that specific line of "criminal action" is why somebody "touching something" is just laughable. Like, wtf. If they stole it or damaged it? Sure. Otherwise? It's a government official and a government building. I'm sure the protestors won't mind $20 worth of lysol wipes to clean literally everything off with. ffs.


They did not have permission to be anywhere near the offices and they are full of classified information. I think you should consider the full implication of regular citizens taking an office of our elected officials
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Jan 7 2021 11:58am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 7 2021 12:33pm)
A lot of science is indeed glorified mouse torture. In fact today I received training on putting human cancer into immunocompromised mice so we can grow them out and use them as a model. Gonna be a pretty cool project this year that I'm very excited to do.

Seriously, do some research on immunocompromised mouse models. Their whole life is torture. The pigment in their eyes is gone so they're basically blind, if they get a single bacteria in an orifice they die of sepsis, and they're so inbred that they will just randomly attack each other. If mice weren't so worthless as a species I'd feel bad for them.


As an animal lover i find this monstrous. Please keep such details private so i can enjoy products that have been tested on animals without feeling guilty.
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Jan 7 2021 11:59am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 11:42am)
But isn't the claim that every single person no matter what they did should be arrested?

I mean, if your claim is that anyone who smashed a window or attacked a police officer should be arrested, in general, we agree. What about the other thousands of people? To be blunt, there were videos and photos all over the place. It should be easy to track down anyone who was anything other than peaceful and nab them up. Is that enough, or are you out for blood in a way you weren't when the... Protestors... Were something you agreed with?



You dodged the question. Again. Who do you want arrested? Those who were carrying weapons were already arrested. Who else? Not down to engage further until you answer a basic question. Not even about right and wrong or arguing a point. You stated:



Before we discuss the merits of constitutionally questionable misdemeanors any further, let's get a straight up answer. Or just admit you were talking out your ass and we'll proceed from there.

Edit: oops, fail edit. Sorry for the partial double. :(


any person who forcibly passes security checkpoints to enter a federal building. in my perfect world it would be a felony during open session, especially if it disrupts the proceedings. and a misdemeanor trespass charge if done nonviolently when congress is not in session.

this is what u have? a simple question that i already answered in short form. then also said later protests arent for govt buildings. i spelled it all out for you lol.
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Jan 7 2021 12:00pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Jan 2021 09:55)
They did not have permission to be anywhere near the offices and they are full of classified information. I think you should consider the full implication of regular citizens taking an office of our elected officials


It's a public building and if classified information is left unsecured in an unlocked room that's an entirely new problem.

I mean, if a safe or locked desk or something was broken into, it's already hit upon by prior points.

I think you're blowing things out of proportion on that score. Touching the personal effects or offices is no real thing. Videos showed that people were being prevented from trying to break into locked offices by other protestors. Unlocked offices were not locked. There's no "break in". The idea that you arrest somebody for sitting in a chair or touching a pen? Nah man.

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any person who forcibly passes security checkpoints to enter a federal building. in my perfect world it would be a felony during open session, especially if it disrupts the proceedings. and a misdemeanor trespass charge if done nonviolently when congress is not in session.

this is what u have? a simple question that i already answered in short form. then also said later protests arent for govt buildings. i spelled it all out for you lol.


Forcibly passes security checkpoints... So the 20 people who pushed back the gate? What about the thousand other people? Like, once the checkpoint was gone, people were just walking in. Should they be arrested too?

Honestly, Thor is making more sense than you are, not gonna lie.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 7 2021 12:03pm
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 12:00pm)
It's a public building and if classified information is left unsecured in an unlocked room that's an entirely new problem.

I mean, if a safe or locked desk or something was broken into, it's already hit upon by prior points.

I think you're blowing things out of proportion on that score. Touching the personal effects or offices is no real thing. Videos showed that people were being prevented from trying to break into locked offices by other protestors. Unlocked offices were not locked. There's no "break in". The idea that you arrest somebody for sitting in a chair or touching a pen? Nah man.


its funny how you classify it as "touching things" to serve only your legally ignorant argument.

they trespassed. you can disagree this SHOULD be a crime, but it is. its the law. follow the law.

they also disrupted an active session of congress, which is an additional crime, and the secret service has special powers as of 2011 to shut down such behavior.


this has been a part of the legal code of the USA since 1783 or so, back in the time of the constitutional founding fathers that you keep harping back to as if they somehow agree with you and not me. they literally created DC because of idiots like this storming independence hall..... in a group of people DEEPLY divided on the role of the federal govt their was more disagreement on the location of DC than the need for DC.

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Forcibly passes security checkpoints... So the 20 people who pushed back the gate? What about the thousand other people? Like, once the checkpoint was gone, people were just walking in. Should they be arrested too?

Honestly, Thor is making more sense than you are, not gonna lie.


not sure why you're having such a hard time. everyone. literally everyone. should be arrested. if a media member who didnt have a press pass walked in with them they should also be charged. that's my opinion, and one the law agrees with. you keep making distinctions as if they're good points, and they're distinctions that dont change my opinion and dont change the laws opinion.

we get it, u hate the gubment and dont know shit about the law. no need to expound.

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Jan 7 2021 12:09pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 10:03)
its funny how you classify it as "touching things" to serve only your legally ignorant argument.

they trespassed. you can disagree this SHOULD be a crime, but it is. its the law. follow the law.

they also disrupted an active session of congress, which is an additional crime, and the secret service has special powers as of 2011 to shut down such behavior.

this has been a part of the legal code of the USA since 1783 or so, back in the time of the constitutional founding fathers that you keep harping back to as if they somehow agree with you and not me. they literally created DC because of idiots like this storming independence hall..... in a group of people DEEPLY divided on the role of the federal govt their was more disagreement on the location of DC than the need for DC.


The discussion was who Thor wants arrested and for what. He specifically stated: "Anybody who touched an official or staffer's office or personal affects." We're well past misdemeanor trespass here. We're talking about going out, after the fact, and arresting people. And 2018 was an active session as well. I'm not advocating for those people to suddenly be rearrested and charged with something. Congress did what they decided to do, which was hold the session until later at night. When protestors were told to get out, it's bedtime, they got. As you posted earlier, they have the right to determine what's done in DC. They decided to postpone the session.

You're trying to conflate two different discussions, mate. And in a really stupid way.

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 10:03)
not sure why you're having such a hard time. everyone. literally everyone. should be arrested. if a media member who didnt have a press pass walked in with them they should also be charged. that's my opinion, and one the law agrees with. you keep making distinctions as if they're good points, and they're distinctions that dont change my opinion and dont change the laws opinion.

we get it, u hate the gubment and dont know shit about the law. no need to expound.


Okay. Literally everyone from the 2018 occupation needs to be arrested and charged with a felony as well. If that's how you want it this time, that's how it needs to be that time. And we can go back as far as the statute of limitations will allow for prior "occupations". :)

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Jan 7 2021 12:11pm
The idea that classified information was left accessible because, in the heat of action, officials were evacuated to a secure location, does not take a leap of faith.
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Jan 7 2021 12:15pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 12:09pm)
The discussion was who Thor wants arrested and for what. He specifically stated: "Anybody who touched an official or staffer's office or personal affects." We're well past misdemeanor trespass here. We're talking about going out, after the fact, and arresting people. And 2018 was an active session as well. I'm not advocating for those people to suddenly be rearrested and charged with something. Congress did what they decided to do, which was hold the session until later at night. When protestors were told to get out, it's bedtime, they got. As you posted earlier, they have the right to determine what's done in DC. They decided to postpone the session.

You're trying to conflate two different discussions, mate. And in a really stupid way.


Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 11:42am)
But isn't the claim that every single person no matter what they did should be arrested?

I mean, if your claim is that anyone who smashed a window or attacked a police officer should be arrested, in general, we agree. What about the other thousands of people? To be blunt, there were videos and photos all over the place. It should be easy to track down anyone who was anything other than peaceful and nab them up. Is that enough, or are you out for blood in a way you weren't when the... Protestors... Were something you agreed with?



You dodged the question. Again. Who do you want arrested? Those who were carrying weapons were already arrested. Who else? Not down to engage further until you answer a basic question. Not even about right and wrong or arguing a point. You stated:



Before we discuss the merits of constitutionally questionable misdemeanors any further, let's get a straight up answer. Or just admit you were talking out your ass and we'll proceed from there.

Edit: oops, fail edit. Sorry for the partial double. :(


u cant even follow along lol.

u asked me who i want arrested. i answer and u say it was to thor.

just scroll up so u dont look pathetic.



tl;dr of the bobbashing that happened today:

1. bobb says "this was legal, because im an expert on public property"

2. snipa says "no it isnt, its very basically no legal, at all"

3. bobb says "there are zero laws saying this is illegal"

4. snipa googles, for literally like 1 second, and finds 1 of thousands of laws

5. bobb says "well that may be the law, but before when i said the law is the law i meant the constitution, not the law, and also here are a list of conspiracy theories on why the SCOTUS hasnt shot that law down even though i said they easily could"

6. snipa says "ummmmm trespassing exists"

7. bobb asks "ok but who do u want arrested"

8. snipa says "literally all trespassers yesterday and forever"

9. bobb says "i wasnt asking you"




next time just naruto into the building with the rest of the idiots who use constitution 10x a day in conversation but dont understand it so a federal agent can dispose of your ignorant opinions and save me the time.
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Jan 7 2021 12:16pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ 7 Jan 2021 10:11)
The idea that classified information was left accessible because, in the heat of action, officials were evacuated to a secure location, does not take a leap of faith.


It does. There are a multitude of evacuation procedures that involve protecting classified information. The likelihood any classified information was left in an unlocked office available for random viewing is highly unlikely.

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 10:15)
snipped for stupid.


You quote my response to Thor and cry because your response made no sense in regards to what you quoted. Fucking cry you whiney bitch.

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Jan 7 2021 12:19pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 11:00am)
It's a public building and if classified information is left unsecured in an unlocked room that's an entirely new problem.

I mean, if a safe or locked desk or something was broken into, it's already hit upon by prior points.

I think you're blowing things out of proportion on that score. Touching the personal effects or offices is no real thing. Videos showed that people were being prevented from trying to break into locked offices by other protestors. Unlocked offices were not locked. There's no "break in". The idea that you arrest somebody for sitting in a chair or touching a pen? Nah man.



Forcibly passes security checkpoints... So the 20 people who pushed back the gate? What about the thousand other people? Like, once the checkpoint was gone, people were just walking in. Should they be arrested too?

Honestly, Thor is making more sense than you are, not gonna lie.


What? When an office is being stormed by idiots, some armed your first instinct is to not reorganize your desk so that everything you had out working on is re-secured. I work with classified information on my desk all day, if someone stormed into the building armed I am not taking the time to ensure all papers are filed back properly down the hall in the filing room.
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