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Jun 4 2021 07:51am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2021 06:25am)
We've been over this before...
Opinion polls are always a snapshot in time, not a prediction for the future. Yes, if there was a GOP primary held today, Trump would of course win it with ease. Doesn't mean he will still be in the same spots two and a half years from now.

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My core line of thinking is the following:

  • Trump will get older and lower energy (sad!)
  • He will eventually fade from the news cycles a little bit. At the moment, we're still in the woes of 6/1 in a sense, the media is still coming off its sugar high from the trump years, and the Biden admin is so sleepy and boring that it's providing very little distraction.
  • He has lost most of his platforms. Kicked out of the bully pulpit by sleepy joe (sad!) and kicked off of social media (wtf?!). To garner the attention on which he feeds, he is at the mercy of right-wing media outlets. If their owners decide that it is in their best interest for someone else to be the GOP standard bearer in 2024, they could deprive him of his media oxygen anytime they want. I, personally, believe that most people still underestimate how much Trump's ability to directly communicate with his followers via his twitter account was the true source of his power.
  • He already lost in 2020, and that was in spite of the power of incumbency, before he started an insurrection and before his selfish and pointless antics cost his party the Senate. By now, he personally is nuclear to a majority of the country - as long as Biden can somewhat keep it together, a Biden/Trump rematch in 2024 would end in a total disaster for the GOP. At the same time, poll after poll shows that Trump's policies are more popular with the Republican rank and file than the person.

    Therefore, GOP elites and strategists can clearly have no interest in Trump running again. What they want is Trump's platform, but with a more savvy and sane messenger, someone who is capable of self-restraint, strategic thinking and competent governance. They are definitely consulting and deliberating how to prevent Trump from becoming the nominee again as I write this. They will coalesce around an alternative candidate and throw all their institutional power and influence behind that person. In other words: the deck will be stacked against Trump once again. But unlike in 2016, his opponent will not be a JEB! or a Kasich type of guy whose policies and lack of fight the base hates, and Trump will not be able to inspire limitless hope because he's a known commodity.


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But like I said before: what do I know - I'm just a foreign voyeur with a strange obsession for politics who doesnt listen to Fox News or American talk radio. Maybe it is indeed me who's completely out of touch with the base. Time will tell.


The problem with all of this is it assuming the masses that show up at his rallies etc. that changed the voter turn out due to their strange obsession with him has diminished. Or that your though process is somewhere near the GOP masses. It's not. 60+ R I bet still yell at their TV's Biden is a communist and only Trump can save us from Democrats.. You can see it in social media posts/threads. And you can see it in current Congress actions.. They all know Trump controls the R base.. Shit they even fly down to FL just to show the R country that "He's still my boss" because he IS the votes. They are not pandering to any old school R. They still kissing orange ass because they have to.
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Jun 4 2021 08:10am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 4 Jun 2021 05:39)
trump is finished, the only useful thing left for him is promoting and endorsing the next candidate for the republicans

the donald had his shot and he botched it

agree here. he caused his own defeat in 2020. sure the entire media apparatus, all democrats, half the republicans, and almost all international forces ganged up against him (just like in 2016) in the name of “democracy”; even with this he had a clear path to victory. just this past election campaign process he got in his own way one too many times.

it would take a series of massive failures by (D) leadership and Rinos that could lead to him even potentially being the candidate again, and it would end in further disasters because the usual suspects here would start a civil war trying to #resist again. it’s better off he becomes kingmaker if he stays ‘in’ politics

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Jun 4 2021 08:13am
Quote (excellence @ 4 Jun 2021 16:10)
agree here. he caused his own defeat in 2020. sure the entire media apparatus, all democrats, half the republicans, and almost all international forces ganged up against him (just like in 2016); even with this he had a clear path to victory. just this time he got in his own way one too many times.


The "inject bleach"-comment was very clearly the moment when Trump jumped the shark...
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Jun 4 2021 08:44am
Quote (excellence @ Jun 4 2021 10:10am)
agree here. he caused his own defeat in 2020.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2021 10:13am)
The "inject bleach"-comment was very clearly the moment when Trump jumped the shark...


Real big of you fellas to say this. I've never seen two individuals display such objectivity.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 4 2021 08:45am
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Jun 4 2021 09:21am
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/capitol-rioters-won/619075/

Another one, behind paywall I think(serious people should subscribe to The Dispatch):
https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/is-the-right-going-to-talk-itself

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 4 2021 09:31am
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Jun 4 2021 01:35pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 4 2021 06:25am)
We've been over this before...
Opinion polls are always a snapshot in time, not a prediction for the future. Yes, if there was a GOP primary held today, Trump would of course win it with ease. Doesn't mean he will still be in the same spots two and a half years from now.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

My core line of thinking is the following:

  • Trump will get older and lower energy (sad!)
  • He will eventually fade from the news cycles a little bit. At the moment, we're still in the woes of 6/1 in a sense, the media is still coming off its sugar high from the trump years, and the Biden admin is so sleepy and boring that it's providing very little distraction.
  • He has lost most of his platforms. Kicked out of the bully pulpit by sleepy joe (sad!) and kicked off of social media (wtf?!). To garner the attention on which he feeds, he is at the mercy of right-wing media outlets. If their owners decide that it is in their best interest for someone else to be the GOP standard bearer in 2024, they could deprive him of his media oxygen anytime they want. I, personally, believe that most people still underestimate how much Trump's ability to directly communicate with his followers via his twitter account was the true source of his power.
  • He already lost in 2020, and that was in spite of the power of incumbency, before he started an insurrection and before his selfish and pointless antics cost his party the Senate. By now, he personally is nuclear to a majority of the country - as long as Biden can somewhat keep it together, a Biden/Trump rematch in 2024 would end in a total disaster for the GOP. At the same time, poll after poll shows that Trump's policies are more popular with the Republican rank and file than the person.

    Therefore, GOP elites and strategists can clearly have no interest in Trump running again. What they want is Trump's platform, but with a more savvy and sane messenger, someone who is capable of self-restraint, strategic thinking and competent governance. They are definitely consulting and deliberating how to prevent Trump from becoming the nominee again as I write this. They will coalesce around an alternative candidate and throw all their institutional power and influence behind that person. In other words: the deck will be stacked against Trump once again. But unlike in 2016, his opponent will not be a JEB! or a Kasich type of guy whose policies and lack of fight the base hates, and Trump will not be able to inspire limitless hope because he's a known commodity.


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But like I said before: what do I know - I'm just a foreign voyeur with a strange obsession for politics who doesnt listen to Fox News or American talk radio. Maybe it is indeed me who's completely out of touch with the base. Time will tell.


This is why we disagree. I DO listen to these things and they control the narrative. The polling trend is that MORE Republicans are buying into "The Big Lie" and it's because it's reinforced by the media they consume. To me, the actions of McConnell and McCarthy indicate that they believe that embracing conspiracy theories and lies is advantageous to them because it resonates with the people.

This is a good read:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/06/maggie-haberman-is-right/
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Jun 4 2021 01:50pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jun 4 2021 03:35pm)
This is why we disagree. I DO listen to these things and they control the narrative. The polling trend is that MORE Republicans are buying into "The Big Lie" and it's because it's reinforced by the media they consume. To me, the actions of McConnell and McCarthy indicate that they believe that embracing conspiracy theories and lies is advantageous to them because it resonates with the people.

This is a good read:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/06/maggie-haberman-is-right/


Big Lie is a disgusting antisemitic trope.
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Jun 4 2021 05:25pm
Why is this thread still alive?

Flush this turd down the drain already.
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Jun 4 2021 08:47pm
Quote (Brian_D @ 4 Jun 2021 19:25)
Why is this thread still alive?

pale pasty privileged lefties like you can’t help themselves
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Jun 4 2021 09:05pm
Quote (excellence @ Jun 4 2021 07:47pm)
pale pasty privileged lefties like you can’t help themselves



Because fat man still runs your party from the bunker of a golf course
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