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May 19 2021 02:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 19 2021 03:50pm)
i should have more clearly stated "liberals in PARD". im disinterested in what racial justice majors from a liberal arts college leading marches in Chicago say, as should just about anyone.

still there is a disconnect between spheres, the right has active members of congress saying election fraud 100% happened, while even AOC and her gang dont seem to endorse localized property damage and stop short with the "i understand the frustration" type narratives.

right winged nutsos are gleeful about the capital riots, and actively try to downplay the seriousness of them. left winged nutsos are embarrassed by burned communities, and actively try to downplay the seriousness of them. although im sure they love the looted targets and burned cop precinct.


We can't exclude left wing nuts and then include right-wing nuts. The left doesn't excuse rioting, but they instead pretend to the greatest degree possible that it doesn't exist, or that it is somehow separate from the lawlessness that these riot/protests (choose your term) create.

I had a throbbing migraine on Jan 6th, and I imagine a lot of conservatives felt the same. It was pointless and counterproductive political theatre that devolved into a riot. Trump was forced into issuing "peaceful transfer of power" rhetoric because Congressional Republicans were threatening impeachment over it.

But at the same time, alleging that it was an "attempt to overthrow democracy", or an "insurrection" runs against the reality of what actually transpired. Trump's sin isn't what he said during his speech that day, he didn't call for violence or insinuate it, but rather the gradually built mountain of lies which, over time, made his supporters irrationally angry at a supposed plot to defraud them of their democratic rights.

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May 19 2021 02:32pm
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We can't exclude left wing nuts and then include right-wing nuts. The left doesn't excuse rioting, but they instead pretend to the greatest degree possible that it doesn't exist, or that it is somehow separate from the lawlessness that these riot/protests (choose your term) create.

I had a throbbing migraine on Jan 6th, and I imagine a lot of conservatives felt the same. It was pointless and counterproductive political theatre that devolved into a riot. Trump was forced into issuing "peaceful transfer of power" rhetoric because Congressional Republicans were threatening impeachment over it.

But at the same time, alleging that it was an "attempt to overthrow democracy", or an "insurrection" runs against the reality of what actually transpired. Trump's sin isn't what he said during his speech that day, he didn't call for violence or insinuate it, but rather the gradually built mountain of lies which, over time, made his supporters irrationally angry at a supposed plot to defraud them of their democratic rights.


Left winged nut in a BLM org is an apple, right winged nut democratically elected to Congress = orange. is there extremism on both sides, of course, is one from elected officials? yes. is that noteworthy? of course.

it's likewise noteworthy when the riots took place, during the electoral vote, and it shut it down. it was a clear, and successful for a time, attempt to stall the constitutionally mandated electoral vote. is that insurrection or an attempt at a coup? bit subjective there, especially on insurrection. but its noteworthy to be sure.
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May 19 2021 02:38pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 19 2021 04:32pm)
Left winged nut in a BLM org is an apple, right winged nut democratically elected to Congress = orange. is there extremism on both sides, of course, is one from elected officials? yes. is that noteworthy? of course.

it's likewise noteworthy when the riots took place, during the electoral vote, and it shut it down. it was a clear, and successful for a time, attempt to stall the constitutionally mandated electoral vote. is that insurrection or an attempt at a coup? bit subjective there, especially on insurrection. but its noteworthy to be sure.


At least you see things for what they are. We might disagree on some shit but you can see how fake the system is. As soon as you #Unplug and start to ask yourself the right questions and analyze things that happened over a long period of time, you see the patterns and shit that the clueless people can't see and call conspiracies. The media are smart to throw obvious bait to divide people and make conspiracies a thing of our daily life (Flat Earth for Example). We all know it's a globe but they managed to divide people on such a simple thing we should all take for granted. Now the word conspiracy is used for Flath earth theories .

People believe the government would never betray the people because it's too far fetched when they believe in god and the history as you were told... Smh
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May 19 2021 02:40pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ May 19 2021 02:37pm)
Also among them were protestors who were ran over by people barreling their vehicles into groups of people. But yeah, all those dead are the fault of BLM.

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May 19 2021 03:54pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 19 2021 04:24pm)
We can't exclude left wing nuts and then include right-wing nuts. The left doesn't excuse rioting, but they instead pretend to the greatest degree possible that it doesn't exist, or that it is somehow separate from the lawlessness that these riot/protests (choose your term) create.

I had a throbbing migraine on Jan 6th, and I imagine a lot of conservatives felt the same. It was pointless and counterproductive political theatre that devolved into a riot. Trump was forced into issuing "peaceful transfer of power" rhetoric because Congressional Republicans were threatening impeachment over it.

But at the same time, alleging that it was an "attempt to overthrow democracy", or an "insurrection" runs against the reality of what actually transpired. Trump's sin isn't what he said during his speech that day, he didn't call for violence or insinuate it, but rather the gradually built mountain of lies which, over time, made his supporters irrationally angry at a supposed plot to defraud them of their democratic rights.


People like Bogie, who defend or minimize Trump trying to overturn and steal an election by several means, is the kind of person who would show up after a Republican Congress refused to certify the 2024 election if a Democrat wins, and proclaim it either justified or "no big deal". He'll proclaim it's "in the law", because Republican controlled states will make it so.

The most serious extremist problem is not ISIS or white supremacists, it's a large segment of the right-wing in America. They tried to end American democracy in 2020... they'll try again in 2024. And it's not just demented people watching OAN... it's guys with college degrees like Bogie, who are perfectly willing to allow it. I don't have to make this shit up... they come on PaRD and admit it.
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May 19 2021 04:01pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 19 2021 05:54pm)
People like Bogie, who defend or minimize Trump trying to overturn and steal an election by several means, is the kind of person who would show up after a Republican Congress refused to certify the 2024 election if a Democrat wins, and proclaim it either justified or "no big deal". He'll proclaim it's "in the law", because Republican controlled states will make it so.

The most serious extremist problem is not ISIS or white supremacists, it's a large segment of the right-wing in America. They tried to end American democracy in 2020... they'll try again in 2024. And it's not just demented people watching OAN... it's guys with college degrees like Bogie, who are perfectly willing to allow it. I don't have to make this shit up... they come on PaRD and admit it.


Being in the middle and watching both side is literally the same adrenaline rush as watching "Jersey Shore".

Keep up the good job guys. Stay entertaining. Keep acting like men child.
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May 19 2021 04:04pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 19 2021 01:24pm)
We can't exclude left wing nuts and then include right-wing nuts. The left doesn't excuse rioting, but they instead pretend to the greatest degree possible that it doesn't exist, or that it is somehow separate from the lawlessness that these riot/protests (choose your term) create.

I had a throbbing migraine on Jan 6th, and I imagine a lot of conservatives felt the same. It was pointless and counterproductive political theatre that devolved into a riot. Trump was forced into issuing "peaceful transfer of power" rhetoric because Congressional Republicans were threatening impeachment over it.

But at the same time, alleging that it was an "attempt to overthrow democracy", or an "insurrection" runs against the reality of what actually transpired. Trump's sin isn't what he said during his speech that day, he didn't call for violence or insinuate it, but rather the gradually built mountain of lies which, over time, made his supporters irrationally angry at a supposed plot to defraud them of their democratic rights.



So hanging Mike Pence chants.
Calling the election fake
Killing cops
Stalking Pelosi etc
Is = stealing TV’s and burning Targets.
Now... I’m not dismissing the riots overall. But they are NOT the same
But now we have SENATORS calling the election fake.
Fake audits of 2-3 time already verified elections.
Senators unwilling to let what happened be investigated
Congress people that believe in Q
The entire R party cant make a move without appeasing trumps base. (He’s not in office just a FYI)
When they introduced Cheney’s replacement she quoted we will not do anything without the pres support. Meaning trump.
Get off the it’s the same as BLM
It’s NOT
You can complain about the riots.
Fair.
Stop whatabout ism’s over fact denial TDS elections fraud crazies when 70% of R think the election was stolen or fraudulent with zero proof
The R part is TI/dark head and this gets the spectrum voters more lost
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May 19 2021 06:21pm
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May 19 2021 06:21pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 19 2021 04:32pm)
Left winged nut in a BLM org is an apple, right winged nut democratically elected to Congress = orange. is there extremism on both sides, of course, is one from elected officials? yes. is that noteworthy? of course.

it's likewise noteworthy when the riots took place, during the electoral vote, and it shut it down. it was a clear, and successful for a time, attempt to stall the constitutionally mandated electoral vote. is that insurrection or an attempt at a coup? bit subjective there, especially on insurrection. but its noteworthy to be sure.


The Speaker of the House referred to federal law enforcement as "storm troopers". Maxine Waters champions mob violence. We don't need to go to the Squad to find examples of extremism within the Democratic party.

It wasn't a coup because no attempt was made to seize the powers of state. I'm not sure what "insurrection" even means in this context. Was it a "violent uprising against the government"? Unless we plan to charge every riot with being an insurrection, I would think insurrections should be made of sterner stuff.
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May 19 2021 06:23pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ May 19 2021 06:04pm)
So hanging Mike Pence chants.
Calling the election fake
Killing cops
Stalking Pelosi etc
Is = stealing TV’s and burning Targets.
Now... I’m not dismissing the riots overall. But they are NOT the same
But now we have SENATORS calling the election fake.
Fake audits of 2-3 time already verified elections.
Senators unwilling to let what happened be investigated
Congress people that believe in Q
The entire R party cant make a move without appeasing trumps base. (He’s not in office just a FYI)
When they introduced Cheney’s replacement she quoted we will not do anything without the pres support. Meaning trump.
Get off the it’s the same as BLM
It’s NOT
You can complain about the riots.
Fair.
Stop whatabout ism’s over fact denial TDS elections fraud crazies when 70% of R think the election was stolen or fraudulent with zero proof
The R part is TI/dark head and this gets the spectrum voters more lost


No police officer was killed. That is misinformation stemming from a New York Times "unnamed source" that has since been discredited. This is why you need to be careful when assuming an air of superiority. You are making the exact same mistake you accuse Trump supporters of.
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