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Jan 7 2021 11:35am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 11:32am)
Congressional investigations, such as that into the 2016 election, are not ordered by the outgoing President. Are you high?


The DOJ, FBI, and CIA report to the president. If he wants an investigation it happens.

Then again expecting you to have even a basic understanding of the government is expecting too much based on your post history.
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Jan 7 2021 11:37am
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I didn't see videos of people smashing glass either until today Andy ngo posted one. Good lesson in : 2 or 3 pictures and 1 video can't tell the entire story

Stretches of capital of our nation DC were smashed up and on fire earlier in the summer, under occupation by rioters. a lot of people here, media, and in politics were cheering it on.
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Jan 7 2021 11:37am
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Congressional investigations, such as that into the 2016 election, are not ordered by the outgoing President. Are you high?



A road and a park are not "the same". I stopped bothering to even try to take you seriously at that point. Roads exist for commerce. Parks exist for public use in whatever legal manner the public sees fit. Classing them as the same is stupid, and a lie.

You're attempting to hammer on some useless point about legalities, then complaining about "strawmen". There's no strawman here. When you burn down a target, you're guilty of a number of felonies. When you enter the Whitehouse to peaceably protest, you're guilty of a questionable misdemeanor which can be challenged on Constitutional grounds. I asked you who you want to be arrested and why. I asked you if the Capitol Building was still occupied. The second question we both know the answer to. What's your answer to the first?


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It's a public building. While there may be "rules" and "guidelines" to that public building, there's no law that the public cannot enter the building they own. The argument regarding fencing at most makes it a misdemeanor trespass, assuming fencing and notification of closure was put up well in advance.

Which again, leads to nothing more than an arrest to remove the person from the property, a prompt release, and a potential fine. It's not some "lock them up" scenario unless some other major crime has been committed.


you could like just say, ummmmm, that you were wrong. id settle for that. or maybe say that what you said was dumb, and that we are all now dumber for having to read you dance around the fact that you were so blatantly wrong. maybe even admit that youve repeated this same wrong statement a few dozen times in pard now.
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Jan 7 2021 11:38am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Jan 2021 09:29)
I don't see any smashed windows or assaulted police officers, so yeah, pretty peaceful compared to yesterday.


But isn't the claim that every single person no matter what they did should be arrested?

I mean, if your claim is that anyone who smashed a window or attacked a police officer should be arrested, in general, we agree. What about the other thousands of people? To be blunt, there were videos and photos all over the place. It should be easy to track down anyone who was anything other than peaceful and nab them up. Is that enough, or are you out for blood in a way you weren't when the... Protestors... Were something you agreed with?
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Stretches of capital of our nation DC were smashed up and on fire earlier in the summer, under occupation by rioters. a lot of people here, media, and in politics were cheering it on.


if it's their cause, they cheer. if it isn't, they boo

humans gonna human
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Jan 7 2021 11:42am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Jan 2021 09:29)
I don't see any smashed windows or assaulted police officers, so yeah, pretty peaceful compared to yesterday.


But isn't the claim that every single person no matter what they did should be arrested?

I mean, if your claim is that anyone who smashed a window or attacked a police officer should be arrested, in general, we agree. What about the other thousands of people? To be blunt, there were videos and photos all over the place. It should be easy to track down anyone who was anything other than peaceful and nab them up. Is that enough, or are you out for blood in a way you weren't when the... Protestors... Were something you agreed with?

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 09:37)
you could like just say, ummmmm, that you were wrong. id settle for that. or maybe say that what you said was dumb, and that we are all now dumber for having to read you dance around the fact that you were so blatantly wrong. maybe even admit that youve repeated this same wrong statement a few dozen times in pard now.


You dodged the question. Again. Who do you want arrested? Those who were carrying weapons were already arrested. Who else? Not down to engage further until you answer a basic question. Not even about right and wrong or arguing a point. You stated:

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Jan 2021 08:45)
i want them arrested, too. idiot.


Before we discuss the merits of constitutionally questionable misdemeanors any further, let's get a straight up answer. Or just admit you were talking out your ass and we'll proceed from there.

Edit: oops, fail edit. Sorry for the partial double. :(

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 7 2021 11:42am
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But isn't the claim that every single person no matter what they did should be arrested?


You're doing that thing again, where you assume everybody you disagree with has the same opinion, and that the opinion is the most extreme one you've heard.
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Jan 7 2021 11:44am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Jan 2021 09:42)
You're doing that thing again, where you assume everybody you disagree with has the same opinion, and that the opinion is the most extreme one you've heard.


Ah! So we're on to something now. Alright friend medical dropout, should ANYONE who has not already been arrested be arrested? If so, who and for what?

Quote (proccy @ 7 Jan 2021 09:38)
if it's their cause, they cheer. if it isn't, they boo

humans gonna human


To be fair, I'm not cheering. Yesterday's events were idiotic. They accomplished nothing, and highlighted a lot of stupid. Flipside, I'm not calling for random people to be locked up either. Just as I didn't call for the 2018 occupiers to be locked up.

Plenty of stupid to go around with this nonsense, and the majority of it is either media-fueled or media-repressed. It's well past annoying.

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Ah! So we're on to something now. Alright friend medical dropout, should ANYONE who has not already been arrested be arrested? If so, who and for what?


Anybody who carried a weapon into the capitol I agree with them being arrested.

Anybody who we have evidence engaged in property damage.

Anybody who touched an official or staffer's office or personal affects.

That's my minimum list. Maybe there's others I haven't thought about.
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Jan 7 2021 11:53am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Jan 2021 09:47)
Anybody who carried a weapon into the capitol I agree with them being arrested.

Anybody who we have evidence engaged in property damage.

Anybody who touched an official or staffer's office or personal affects.

That's my minimum list. Maybe there's others I haven't thought about.


Those with weapons were already arrested, and we agree.

Those who engaged in property damage we agree.

Touching something is not a crime, we disagree. If they caused damage to the staffer's office or personal effects, sure. But touching something? Come on man. Be real.

I would add to your list: Anyone who attacked a police officer without first being attacked BY that police officer. And there were a few who did so and were not arrested.

But as it turns out, we mostly agree. All based around criminal actions beyond some petty misdemeanor. And that specific line of "criminal action" is why somebody "touching something" is just laughable. Like, wtf. If they stole it or damaged it? Sure. Otherwise? It's a government official and a government building. I'm sure the protestors won't mind $20 worth of lysol wipes to clean literally everything off with. ffs.
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