nice try, but that was obviously his intention, not a ridiculous interpretation like yours - and here's the proof:

"Antifa, black supremacists and islamists combined? I can't count that high."

that was his answer to me asking how high the bodycount of 'the left' is compared to that of right wing domestic terrorism. not that even the most uncharitable interpretation of my post even remotely leads to your hilarious 'they are the same group' conclusion.

also, you clearly don't distinguish between appearance and actual effect in your flimsy attempt to make islamist domestic terrorism at least left-adjacent: sure, it sounds "strong" and "patriotic" to implement muslim bans, but all trump's policies have really done is to increase resentment against america, and pushed away moderate muslims in america and abroad - and don't just take my word (and common sense) for it: military experts and leaders have confirmed what a devastating effect his travel ban had on their work with moderate forces in the middle east for example.

opposing insane and unamerican policies, as well as illegal regime change wars, that created many of those terrorists in the first place, is an insane reason to claim that side is somehow responsible for domestic islamist terrorism. it's really mindblowing that you would actually believe that...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 3 2020 03:03pm

What percent of the Democratic party is "the left?"

antifa have an almost non existent body count, that was clue one. lumping islamists in with "the left" was clue two. he's being hyperbolic, not literal. even black supremacists have a very low kill count, clue three.

and i was being only a bit more literal with my examples as goom was with his.

the point remains, islamists are leftist in the american context in a binary choice. which is really all that is needed for a joke to be born.

but im sure that Goom will take the opportunity to write up a 3 page response to you passionately arguing for something that was honestly just a joke to begin with.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 3 2020 02:56pm

that's complete bs. almost every single source i've seen has islamist terrorism as its own category. literally the only people who decide to lump it in with 'the left' are desperate hacks who want to complain about antifa while ignoring right wing terrorism, but they just lack the arguments and numbers to do so.

but i'm sure that goon-shill will admit that it was just 'a joke', and that in reality right wing terrorism is the significantly bigger problem, and that it was dishonest to suggest otherwise...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 3 2020 03:02pm

or like, ummm, people who'd rather make a joke than do a 5 page back and forth statistical debate with you on JSP.

you picked up on it in the other thread when i made a joke about the terrorist killing himself with a gun. i could have had a long discussion about gun rights versus safety, or the issues with knife attacks in europe with regards to islamic terror. but i mean, why? you know what i think, i know what you think, and we disagree. so i cracked a joke instead of arguing.

but goomshill, a guy who regardless of your position on his opinions is clearly more researched and concise than the average PARD user, posts a 1 sentence EASILY demonstrably false statement and you respond 100% seriously?

normally i wouldnt even say anything and just quote u in a pm to goomy with "lol" but its a slow day at work today.


since were here, can i ask you to guess what race/nationality Goomshill is irl. just for me.



leading up to Charlotesville GOP pundits and politicians were telling people not to go lol. wat?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 3 2020 03:07pm

oh come on, you don't actually believe that. goon-shill is the most serious propagandist in this sub. he has been perpetuating that moronic narrative for ages, and even in this very thread has done so long before i even replied to his post. he was not joking, he's simply that dishonest - and i'm pretty sure you know that as well.

well, at the very least we agree on the part, that the only way to reasonably explain such a claim - except from outright propaganda, which is my suspicion - is that he has to be 'joking'.

Because left and right in US politics are political alignments, not ideologies. There is no ideological consistency across the left or right, and indeed there are rather contradictory political alliances between conflicting ideologies, like having Linda Sarsour head the Women's March or having isolationist libertarians and warmongering neocons in the same republican cabinet. As it stands, Islam in America is virtually 100% politically aligned with the left, the democrats, the progressives and other left-wing groups. Between black nationalist islam like Farrakhan and arab / north african migrants, muslims are as hardcore left-wing aligned as they could possibly be. There's a reason that Ilhan Omar makes such impassioned apologetic speeches defending islamic terrorists while far-right groups want to wage another crusade. There's a reason liberals are open to banning depictions of the prophet mohamed by cartoonists but the right wing harps on about free speech.

You may not like it, you may not understand it, but Islamists are firmly in the left wing camp, just like neo-Nazis are in the right wing.
When mainstream republicans denounce their radicals, it doesn't mean that neo-Nazis aren't right wing anymore. They're clearly aligned with the right-wing of US politics. Same that even if/when democrats denounce islamic terrorism, they're still aligned. The good democrats make clear that they don't want to be associated with the fundamentalist islamists, but those democrats seem to get fewer and farther between. Very few will openly condemn the extremists anymore, for fear of being labeled islamophobic. Which is also how we wound up with Linda Sarsour heading the Women's March.



the kill count from antifa is low but still significant, depends on how you define the grey cases where ideology is uncertain or no explicit connections but clearly identical ideology
the kill count from black supremacists is pretty high, especially looking back decades
the kill count from islamists dwarfs everything else.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 3 2020 03:17pm

generally when i talk with goom he starts VERY hyperbolic, as do i. then we slowly, and with a lot of give and take, peel back the layers to our true opinions, boil away the layers of things written for effect to get a rise out of each other, and we end up at a place where we generally agree on most issues.

if you dont or cant do this i get labeling it as propaganda. it does take a lot of practice and looking at almost nothing as literal that isnt directly sourced or with a specific % referenced.

but goom, me, skinned, ink, and many other posters shouldnt be taken literally on our posts 1-5 on any subject. it takes a while to dilute down to a real opinion. maybe thats a bit too inside baseball for some people, but as you dont seem to interact well with this style i thought it was worth actually putting in a post. you're literal straight out of the gates, nothing wrong with that, but oil and water dont mix well.

u missed my edit, could u guess gooms race/nationality for me?



damn i didnt even think of the Sarsour/Fararkhan examples.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 3 2020 03:16pm

I feel like you're describing the GOP 2008 - 2016 and not the Democratic party now.

It's like your mad the Democrats aren't helping Trump cover up a crime.

Well you wouldn't be the first to notice the similarities between the tea party era republicans and sjw era democrats, but I do think the democrats long, long since passed the high water mark of the republicans.