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Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 5 2019 04:22pm)
Yes.


We talking about Crowder?
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Your own misrepresentations and disinterest in his content and pursuit of knowledge do not mean that there is nothing sincere or interesting about his content.
Denying he is a major figure is also just false.

Adding in comedy and satire with honest debate and pursuit of knowledge doesn't invalidate the final two.


love them or hate them, whomever does his style of put up a table at a college, shoot 12 hours of interactions, post 30 min edited video compilation, is a bit hacky.

hacky and entertaining can still coexist. it's just not very intellectually honest.

and it should be said that he's reviled by some so much that he does often times get honest debates with people that, due to their anger, he crushes with arguments they can't handle.

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Honest debate and pursuit of knowledge? And I'm the one misrepresenting? Lmao


i'd say its like 70-30, 80-20, or so. entertainment to earnest.

but that also begs the question, why censor someone who's mostly satire? be it jones or crowder.

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We talking about Crowder?


Clint Howard naked in a hot tub exaggerating about the left is a very high quality conservative pursuit of knowledge and truth
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Clint Howard naked in a hot tub exaggerating about the left is a very high quality conservative pursuit of knowledge and truth


I don't understand any of this
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I don't understand any of this


I wish I was joking
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love them or hate them, whomever does his style of put up a table at a college, shoot 12 hours of interactions, post 30 min edited video compilation, is a bit hacky.

hacky and entertaining can still coexist. it's just not very intellectually honest.

and it should be said that he's reviled by some so much that he does often times get honest debates with people that, due to their anger, he crushes with arguments they can't handle.


He posts entire unedited conversations and has an explicit and consistent interest in making sound arguments and knowing and presenting the facts.
This goes above and beyond what almost any other channel does.

I have no doubt that the last part of what you said is true.
Yes he makes fact based arguments that unhinged overly emotional leftists can't handle.
Thats one of the problems that is widespread that he is trying to address. People, especially leftists, get angry and insult people instead of making good arguments and trying to better understand the issues. A recurring theme on his show is encouraging people to make good arguments and do research to better understand issues.

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He posts entire unedited conversations and has an explicit and consistent interest in making sound arguments and knowing and presenting the facts.

I have no doubt that the part of what you said is true.
Yes he makes fact based arguments that unhinged overly emotional leftists can't handle.
Thats one of the problems that is widespread that he is trying to address. People, especially leftists, get angry and insult people instead of making good arguments and trying to better understand the issues. A recurring theme is encouraging people to make good arguments and do research to better understand issues.


You calling anyone over emotional lol

I dont support ban and cancel culture and not against your boy either

I'm fine with them not wanting to support his selling of shirts that say things they dont want to allow which crowder has some

But in general crowder is a joke of a conservative but he certainly should be able to be a joke of a conservative on the platform even if he has to make some changes to stay there
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He posts entire unedited conversations and has an explicit and consistent interest in making sound arguments and knowing and presenting the facts.
This goes above and beyond what almost any other channel does.

I have no doubt that the last part of what you said is true.
Yes he makes fact based arguments that unhinged overly emotional leftists can't handle.
Thats one of the problems that is widespread that he is trying to address. People, especially leftists, get angry and insult people instead of making good arguments and trying to better understand the issues. A recurring theme on his show is encouraging people to make good arguments and do research to better understand issues.


Yeah i should have included that a tertiary problem is people making compilation videos that are highly edited with almost no contexts. Crowder, Shapiro, Peterson, Sam harris, etc all get this treatment from their fans. as do some more democratically challenged people on the left who "OWN" people with simple communist talking points.

while this isn't their fault I do think that it kills their brand in a way, sets people heavily up against them, and is relevant context when we're speaking about censorship that's largely driven by humans on social media using the report function, generally en masse. I for one think that the large disparity we see in conservative vs progressive speakers being censored is in part (large or small) due to conservatives respecting free speech more. which is kind of a DUH thing to say, but in this context it means reports = censorship. an odd thought. one side is literally more cry babies and it's affecting how machines police human interactions. it's pure exploitation of the system.
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He posts entire unedited conversations and has an explicit and consistent interest in making sound arguments and knowing and presenting the facts.
This goes above and beyond what almost any other channel does.

I have no doubt that the last part of what you said is true.
Yes he makes fact based arguments that unhinged overly emotional leftists can't handle.
Thats one of the problems that is widespread that he is trying to address. People, especially leftists, get angry and insult people instead of making good arguments and trying to better understand the issues. A recurring theme on his show is encouraging people to make good arguments and do research to better understand issues.


Wait

You do realize that a big problem he is having is not having substantive arguments instead getting too into personal attacks and name calling and slurs including on his merch

So literally having a issue for what you claim he is against...

And now this is where you swap back over to he is a comedian and it's all humor
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Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 5 2019 07:25pm)
Wait

You do realize that a big problem he is having is not having substantive arguments instead getting too into personal attacks and name calling and slurs including on his merch

So literally having a issue for what you claim he is against...


This is false.

The problem is that he has different views and picks apart vox's propaganda videos.

Vox chose to focus on a couple of remarks within his numerous long videos that refute vox's lies and propaganda, as a pretext to get him banned.

This does not mean he has no substantive arguments. Thats not how logic works. You are unequivocally wrong, again.

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And now this is where you swap back over to he is a comedian and it's all humor

Yes he is a comedian and mockery and satire are a part of comedy.

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