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Dec 11 2025 09:44am
Myrnohrad is turning into a massacre from the looks of online clips, large number of UA troops got encircled without an escape route and there's been no sign of mass surrender but endless streams of videos showing airstrikes and drones picking them off
When every video is just small groups of isolated soldiers being killed by unseen Russians remotely, with no sign of coordination or command at all, I don't know how Ukrainians could even manage a mass surrender to avoid these kinds of casualties.

I think we have to adapt to a future of warfare where strategic failures like these must have their accountability by commanders who aren't on the ground and it needs to be normalized
In the old days, if your army got surrounded and was being destroyed, the general was right there in person and would arrange a surrender with a white flag delegation and order his troops
Now its total chaos with nobody in control. It should be incumbent on officers in Kyiv to get on the phone with their Russian counterparts and arrange a surrender and order the troops in the area by whatever means, even if its just loudspeakers on drones

At this point its just needless butchery. We saw it already in this war in multiple failed retreats, now we're seeing it again. Maybe 1000-1500 men are going to die there. Doubt many will even escape as POWs


The saddest part is this was all too predictable. Again most of us can make even the most basic of synaptic connections and it was evident over a month or two ago what is happening. Like you don't have to be a master strategist to see that if the city to the west Pokrovsk is falling, the city to the east which was already surrounded from the north east and south will get trapped. So obviously you pull back? What's the benefit of wasting troops here? Maybe it served as a delay to build fortification around Dobropillia but morale has to be fucking low if you see so many soldiers sacrificed. No wonder Ukrainian army is seeing so many desertions and every mobilization nowadays is forced after you see this type of stuff.
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Dec 11 2025 12:26pm
The saddest part is this was all too predictable. Again most of us can make even the most basic of synaptic connections and it was evident over a month or two ago what is happening. Like you don't have to be a master strategist to see that if the city to the west Pokrovsk is falling, the city to the east which was already surrounded from the north east and south will get trapped. So obviously you pull back? What's the benefit of wasting troops here? Maybe it served as a delay to build fortification around Dobropillia but morale has to be fucking low if you see so many soldiers sacrificed. No wonder Ukrainian army is seeing so many desertions and every mobilization nowadays is forced after you see this type of stuff.


there hasn't been hope since the early stage. if was clear russia had a massive advantage in a war of attrition even with ukraine having massive US/EU backing. it comes down to bodies at some point, so unless nato sends in bodies and they wont its a lost cause. there was a brief window when the initial charge to Kyiv was stopped that a deal could have been struck for the eastern oblasts, but Biden wouldnt let them negotiate. shame, maybe a million lives could have been saved. like imagine if Saddaam could have stopped the 2nd Iraq war after the first bombing strafe, but bush wouldnt have accepted it and neither would biden allow it.

its funny to me to see the people online that simply dont get it. "its actually all drones and missiles now". no, it isn't. even in a new type war its still bodies.
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Dec 12 2025 07:17am
The saddest part is this was all too predictable. Again most of us can make even the most basic of synaptic connections and it was evident over a month or two ago what is happening. Like you don't have to be a master strategist to see that if the city to the west Pokrovsk is falling, the city to the east which was already surrounded from the north east and south will get trapped. So obviously you pull back? What's the benefit of wasting troops here? Maybe it served as a delay to build fortification around Dobropillia but morale has to be fucking low if you see so many soldiers sacrificed. No wonder Ukrainian army is seeing so many desertions and every mobilization nowadays is forced after you see this type of stuff.


The cloud of disinformation and totally opaque command is showing how we can descend into utter waste and incompetence
Several hundred troops are dying for nothing. Entirely predictable, entirely preventable, and even after it started unfolding there was every opportunity to arrange a surrender.

There's a few videos of UA soldiers trying to improvise their own white flags and surrender to drones, and at least some Russians are accommodating with recon drones instead of just bombing them, but that's a huge gamble in an eastern european war and I doubt many will escape alive.



These UA troops have no way out, and never get to even see a Russian. There's nobody on the field in command.
This is the kind of warfare that should not become the norm, its just depraved. At least in the world war 1 meat grinder, someone was taking responsibility and making decisions even if they were often wrong, but here its just utter disregard
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Dec 12 2025 06:05pm


well worth watching the first 3 minutes.

also, Ukraine says they lost 45,000 men since the war started and Donald Trump said 25,000 men died in the last month. presumably these 25,000 are all Russians since Ukraine does not lose men in war, apparently.

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Dec 12 2025 10:02pm


Mad man taking selfie on the front lines in an area the orcs say they've surrounded. This is the guy orc simps call a coward
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It's unlikely that anything can top such a level of faggotry. Well, and just a reminder. Zelenskyy did not serve in the army, although Ukraine has the same conscription system as Russia, he dodged draft notices four times, a four-star draft dodger. Now he's cosplaying the 80-year-old Putin from a safe distance. In principle, if you fled your country (say, to Canada), shitting your pants, instead of defending it with a weapon in hand, then any coward will seem like a hero. Compared to you.

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Dec 13 2025 09:46am
Ukraine counter attacked in Kupiansk cutting off pockets of Russians apparently. It's not clearly to what extent at this point but i'm sure we will know over the next few days.

The photo shoot is cringe though. Maybe it boosts morale, maybe its to buy goodwill and reinforce a public image? Okay i guess but it's happening simultaneously as Siversk, Mirnohrad fall and Hulliapole is on the verge of falling.

e. one of the more comprehensive play by play

https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/1999816310969295034

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Dec 13 2025 11:32am
Ukraine counter attacked in Kupiansk cutting off pockets of Russians apparently. It's not clearly to what extent at this point but i'm sure we will know over the next few days.

The photo shoot is cringe though. Maybe it boosts morale, maybe its to buy goodwill and reinforce a public image? Okay i guess but it's happening simultaneously as Siversk, Mirnohrad fall and Hulliapole is on the verge of falling.

e. one of the more comprehensive play by play

https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/1999816310969295034


Yeah there seems to be an element of whackamole from either side right now, the lines are more in flux. Kupyansk back to being Kupiansk as Ukraine retakes a significant chunk of it, though perhaps this has already started to reverse, but Russia advancing in three other fronts.
There's some drone footage from the aftermath of Myrnohrad and the roads are littered with bodies, I doubt the Russians took many POWs from that encirclement

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 13 2025 11:33am
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Dec 13 2025 03:29pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gpwlkklyxo

US has lifted sanctions on Belarus, notably on potash which it competes against Canada as one of the top world suppliers, and in exchange Belarus has freed 123 prisoners, of which 114 were sent to Ukraine, 9 to lithuania with Trump and Lukashenko normalizing relations
The release is for political prisoners from belarus like dissidents and journalists, as well as belarusan natives who had been working with Ukraine during the war. Only 5 were ukrainian nationals, 104 were from belarus, 5 others, unclear the types of arrests they had for political prisoner vs saboteur/spy
And the domestic political opposition that had been locked up, were pardoned and remain in belarus

This also means of the 20% of the world's potash supply, it no longer has to transit through Russia and cuts off more Russian leverage over both Belarus and the world markets because it can pass through Lithuania once again
I mean, unless the EU keeps saber rattling or whatever and tries to shut it down
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Dec 13 2025 03:59pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gpwlkklyxo

US has lifted sanctions on Belarus, notably on potash which it competes against Canada as one of the top world suppliers, and in exchange Belarus has freed 123 prisoners, of which 114 were sent to Ukraine, 9 to lithuania with Trump and Lukashenko normalizing relations
The release is for political prisoners from belarus like dissidents and journalists, as well as belarusan natives who had been working with Ukraine during the war. Only 5 were ukrainian nationals, 104 were from belarus, 5 others, unclear the types of arrests they had for political prisoner vs saboteur/spy
And the domestic political opposition that had been locked up, were pardoned and remain in belarus

This also means of the 20% of the world's potash supply, it no longer has to transit through Russia and cuts off more Russian leverage over both Belarus and the world markets because it can pass through Lithuania once again
I mean, unless the EU keeps saber rattling or whatever and tries to shut it down


ye but Belarus is basically an ally of Russia so i dont understand what you are inferring in the bolded. what gives?
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