Are we sure that all forms of peaceful protest have been exhausted without success? Sorry, but I, personally, have a really high standard for saying "there is no other recourse, violence is the only remaining option".

In any case, if we cross the line and argue with "morally justified violence", it is still the duty of the protesters to make sure that their use of violence is targetted and narrow in scope, rather than widespread and indiscriminate. Police violence against blacks is not a justification for violence by BLM or adjacent groups against other people of color or local SMBs.



The violence surrounding the BLM protests last summer left a dozen or so dead, among them black officers and such. You're always pivoting to the property damage suffered by an anonymous megacorp which can be shrugged off - but the true issue is the damage suffered by the local people and the local economy.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 19 2021 12:24pm

Also among them were protestors who were ran over by people barreling their vehicles into groups of people. But yeah, all those dead are the fault of BLM.

I was only referring to the body count of the protesters themselves. Note how I wrote about "a dozen or so", rather than 19, deaths.

Also, there is the case of Barry Perkins who was run over by a truck driver who was himself fleeing from looters, so at least in this specific case, the vehicular manslaughter was indeed the fault of BLM.

But you didn't say that., You just said "the violence surrounding the BLM protests".

Fair enough, my wording was too sloppy. But again: what I wanted to refer to is the violence perpetrated by BLM protesters and looters/arsonists in their wake, but without including (non-self-defense) violence carried out against the protesters.

Its interesting to me that "the on the spectrum" is used to describe the listener of all this BS.
The distribution factions::

FOX lawyers say.
"No reasonable person would believe....

Court about the Kraken.... and voter fraud
"No reasonable person would believe....

Even the R has this figured out.. why is it so hard for the listener to realize they are getting the shaft and getting called a tard while doing so..

Again, I'm not talking about moral justification. I'm talking about the social contract and the consequences of oppressing people. There will never be a situation where you can't say "all forms of protest haven't been tried". That is not a reasonable standard before you say the social contract is not being upheld.

I am not arguing moral justification. I don't know why you're putting that in quotes, it's not an idea I've touched. You keep trying to bring this to an area I'm not talking about nor am I interested in talking about.

I go to property damage because it's easy and it's more favorable to your position. If I want to talk about bodies, then I can easily bring up the dead guy who caused the most recent round of riots, the dead 12 year old who was shot within a second of the officer leaving his car, the hundreds of years of literal slavery that we see the echoes of, the thousands who are dead each year because they are forced into poor living conditions because of the property damage from red-lining and poor education, etc.

In short, I brought up property damage because it is the position that is far more favorable to your argument. If you want to open the can of worms that is the loss of life, I promise you the few dozen dead over a year of protesting won't even begin to compare to the thousands dead in jail and from society wide abuses.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFF.

Yet go to work daily to barely survive in exchange of a "currency".

Smh

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on May 19 2021 01:04pm

Looting in Minneapolis and Chicago was defended by BLM chapter leadership as some version of people "getting what they need". If you support these organizations, as many of this forum do, you need to reconcile that support with what they do.



Destroying local communities impoverishes them. Defunding crime enforcement leads to an increase in crimes. Racializing government abuse obscures the actual nature of the abuse. There's no real debate here.

If we wanted to play this out with the "fraudsters" we could. They've been left behind. They, justifiably, have zero faith in a government that has actively worked against their interests. They suffer from systemic poverty due to historical, social, and economic factors completely outside of their control, and ignored by wealthier, mostly blue states. But that doesn't excuse ludicrous conspiracy theories and the propagation of blatant lies. Nor does it on the left.

i should have more clearly stated "liberals in PARD". im disinterested in what racial justice majors from a liberal arts college leading marches in Chicago say, as should just about anyone.

still there is a disconnect between spheres, the right has active members of congress saying election fraud 100% happened, while even AOC and her gang dont seem to endorse localized property damage and stop short with the "i understand the frustration" type narratives.

right winged nutsos are gleeful about the capital riots, and actively try to downplay the seriousness of them. left winged nutsos are embarrassed by burned communities, and actively try to downplay the seriousness of them. although im sure they love the looted targets and burned cop precinct.