So far the only legit voter fraud cases I've seen in the news were Trump voters.

https://twitter.com/mattshuham/status/1394666856171122692



Tough but fair.

ah was just gonna post this..
I can name a few common posters that are on this same spectrum.
ha..

Imagine the shitstorm across the country if an attorney defending a BLM arsonist used similar language and arguments.

the difference is most liberals agree arsonists should be prosecuted, and offer only an "i understand their anger, but condone violence". whereas most of the right wants to pretend the run on the capital was just a girlscout field trip that did no harm.

since the Minneapolis looting of Target i havent seen much if any support for rage filled property damage. it was only the intersectionality of "fuck corporations" and BLM that even had them write off the looting, and im sure mostly because the property stolen was insured and Target lost nothing.

A very apt summary of Thor's stance on the issue.


No, seriously, imagine the attorney defending the guy who torched that Target arguing "systemic racism and deprivation have left many of the protesters fucking imbecile, these folks are not very bright and don't know what they're doing. they fell victim to a concerted propaganda effort by the media and progressive groups, the likes of which we haven't seen in decades."

My gripe isn't with the attempt to have consequences for the storming of the Capitol, it's with the language and the shitty arguments from this attorney. People like IceMage would never accept such a lack of "decorum" and such a half-assed attempt at relieving criminals from the personal responsibility for their actions ("it's all Trump's fault, my client dindu nuffing") if it didn't serve the goal of shitting on Trump.

except there's a LOT of evidence to show that right winged terrorists are mentally defective and are in large numbers on the spectrum, whereas there's not any evidence i'm aware of that shows the same for BLM.

Most if not all of the high profile "right winged" shooters show at the least social issues common with on the spectrum people. and it makes sense that they turn anti-liberal narratives violent, because of their natural lack of ability to apply nuance to certain threats. Dylan Roof, El Paso Walmart Guy, 2018 mail bomber, Pittsburgh synagogue shooter, Wisconsin Sihk temple shooter, etc.

the tl;dr of it all is when a strong narrative is broadcast from both the left and the right wings of American politics, the left side sees a general level of property damage and physical attacks on mostly helpless targets, and the right sees mentally deranged people go and get guns and kill people at places of worship or public stores.

I tend to wonder why we haven't seen a left winged nutso in a more high profile crime against police, white people generally, jews, etc. And i think that minorities tend to have a low level PTSD that gives them a far higher propensity for dispair, whereas affluent white people or even poor rural whites tend to see paradigm shifts as more necessary of action to be taken.

The difference is that the Trumpers who stormed the capital are protesting and raiding over a totally non-existant problem that was repeated over and over BY THE PRESIDENT, and BLM protesters are responding to a real problem they have personally experienced and that have been abandoned by the institutions that are supposed to be the remedy for those kinds of problems. In the former case, there is a case to be made that a mentally deficient person could be swayed to believe in a falsehood, and in the second case there isn't.

Pretty significant difference.

I've been specific every time we've talked about it. I haven't said I condone the violence, I've merely been pointing out that violence is an inevitability when societal recourse is ineffective, and a group is being actively oppressed. You'll talk about the cost of a burned Target, but not the familial wealth lost due to red-lining and police abuses. Excuse me for not rushing to condemn property damage when it's so obviously being used as a bludgeon to one side and not the other.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 19 2021 11:19am

indeed, on BLM all the right can offer is "black people get shot as much as they should". but those same posters wont even pretend that the election fraud has a whiff of legitimacy.

on one side there's a debate, on the other there's nothing but mental illness driven propaganda farms. then he gets confused when the mentally ill are called mentally ill?

Thor's point about the difference in the situations is valid. They simply are not similar situations.

I think the attorney is right... people that deep into the Trump cult aren't the brightest bunch, and they've had their brains poisoned by Trump and his cultist propagandists for years. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be held responsible, but it's framing the issue in a hyperbolic but accurate way.

Mostly I just posted it though because it was hilarious. When this stuff becomes so normalized(Capitol insurrection, Trump's role in it, the insane propaganda many Americans consume every day), it's refreshing to see some colorful language pushing back.