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I am doing no such thing. As I pointed out, blacks largely don't support the "defund the police" efforts. Nor am I suggesting that reform isn't needed; as with the first point, I've actually gone ahead and explicitly said the opposite. You are inserting an animus into my post that just isn't there. My only point throughout this discussion has been to point out that blacks are not killed disproportionately when compared statistically against crime, and that the solution therefore is not to focus on race, but to focus on the myriad of underlying factors which are responsible for those disparities.
If u have to point out that there is crime in the ghetto which necessitates increased police presence/focus then you should seriously consider the conversations you spend time on. maybe spend your effort better and inform people of the blueness of the sky or wetness of water. what you're doing is explaining the obvious to the oblivious.
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Your second point is not what's happening. The focus is on black men killed by police, often presented in a vacuum, with next to no discussion on any of those other factors. That leads to a public narrative that is disconnected from reality; one which actively prevents the necessary reforms and policy changes required to resolve the situation. We have trained our media to jump on police shootings of blacks, because racism sells. You can tell me when the last time you saw policing shown in a race-neutral context.
people fight the battles they can win, as demonstrated by you pointing out the obvious with your "points". in 10 years police body cameras went from nonexistent to nationwide standard more or less. meanwhile tackling issues like education, employment, and education are multi generational battles even in the best of circumstances. BLM even has cops thinking twice before shooting, the ferguson effect. its been wildly successful. good, whats the worst that will happen? the 45 cops shot in 2020 might go up to 46 because a cop is short on the draw. gasp, the horror.
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No one is trying to "shallowly use murder rates...[as a] bludgeon". It's necessary to redirect the discussion from something that is not happening, to the much more complex discussion of generational poverty, gang crime, and government accountability. Activists are actively working against their own interests. If we want reform, we must present it as a shared problem that effects all of us. That shouldn't be hard, because it does effect all of us. As a recent study emphasized, class-based arguments are far more successful with your average American than an appeal to race. We can all identify with class, but we know that we aren't all the same-race. Dividing Americans into an "us" versus "other" is a terrible strategy if the goal is to drive long-term, large-scale institutional change.
ok, ur chicago mayor, u get 10 billion dollars. go, in order, what do you do?
instead of squashing strawmen, fringe loonies, and intellectual cripples let me allow u the chance to post a substantive plan. take ur time.
This post was edited by thesnipa on May 12 2021 12:58pm
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