Quote (El1te @ 21 Feb 2024 18:46)

In Total war there is no distinction between civilians and combatant.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 22 Feb 2024 12:49)

He doesn't understand. No matter how much it's explained, he won't understand. He cannot get beyond his moral valuations and feelings long enough to address the facts of the situation.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 21 2024 08:58pm)

Insecure about what? You're providing me the opportunity to drive the point home.

Hamas has been assured by the west as well as the Islamic world that they can conduct real war against Israel, and if Israel conducts real war in return, the "International Community" will step in. Thanks to that fact, Hamas is more emboldened than ever. They have taught their children that the Israelis are their enemies and it is good and just and right to kill their women and children and elderly. We're on the third generation of Gazans actively engaged in combat against Israel.

Rather than spouting bullshit like, "Think about the children" why don't we focus instead on, "Who do we wish to support?" Israel tried for decades to focus on targeted strikes and military-only targets. All it has accomplished is to give Gaza decades of "OMG they killed our children!" propaganda to stir up anti-Israeli sentiment with.

It's ironic that the Gazans killed thousands of Israeli "civilians" including women, children, and the elderly, including raping and torturing them to death, and there were celebrations in the streets of the majority of the nations of the middle east. What was the reaction among the people's of the west? Prior to any counterstrike whatsoever, immediate "Free Palestine" and "Two State Solution!" protests in the west.

Who do you support? I'm very secure in rooting for Israel. Israel is our friend. Gaza is not. I do not support them, however. If they need weapons, they can buy them. If they need military assistance, they can pay for it on a mercenary pay scale. Otherwise, good luck to them. Those who support Gaza's murdering of Israelis but decry the Israeli murder of Gazans in response clearly support the jihadists. And that's okay. Just be honest. For once.

Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Feb 21 2024 09:39pm)

Ye its kinda waste of time to read InsaneBobb's post when it starts with "Women and children have always been legit targets"... What a big man :baby:

To his credit, he knows he is insane :rofl:

Quote (FantasyWorldII @ 21 Feb 2024 19:00)

Targeting civilians is prohibited by international law. To have to tell you boys that is me wasting time

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 21 Feb 2024 19:08)

Propaganda is a hell of a drug lol, good to see you working out your issues online instead of IRL though I suppose.

Lol some nutty responses in this thread but his have been extra special

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 21 2024 10:14pm)

Then why aren't you up in arms over several generations of Gazans targeting the "civilians" of Israel?

"International Law" isn't really a thing, btw. International law is simply an agreement between nations that they won't engage in a thing so that the thing won't be engaged against them. The moment one side in a conflict engages in that thing, they set the new terms of warfare. And every single nation goes after non-combatants. Always have. Social media has simply been weaponized to make you "feel bad" about the death of your enemies.

Israel has 3 generations of evidence that the "children" of jihadists grow up to be jihadists. Like, over a 90% conversion rate. Why not kill those children before they gain the training to kill your children? Who gives birth to and raises the children of jihadists aka the next generation of jihadists? The women of the jihadists.

Again, throw away your preconceived moral valuations. The historical evidence is very clear. Neither Hamas nor any other Islamic nation can be preventing from attacking the west, particularly Israel, if you allow them to continually target your non-combatants while you refuse to target theirs.



You're a fool. How do you ignore the reality of warfare then claim you should be paid attention to in a discussion about a war?

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 21 Feb 2024 19:22)

Man you are so insecure lol

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 21 Feb 2024 19:14)

You're a fool. How do you ignore the reality of warfare then claim you should be paid attention to in a discussion about a war?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 22 Feb 2024 13:14)

Then why aren't you up in arms over several generations of Gazans targeting the "civilians" of Israel?

"International Law" isn't really a thing, btw. International law is simply an agreement between nations that they won't engage in a thing so that the thing won't be engaged against them. The moment one side in a conflict engages in that thing, they set the new terms of warfare. And every single nation goes after non-combatants. Always have. Social media has simply been weaponized to make you "feel bad" about the death of your enemies.

Israel has 3 generations of evidence that the "children" of jihadists grow up to be jihadists. Like, over a 90% conversion rate. Why not kill those children before they gain the training to kill your children? Who gives birth to and raises the children of jihadists aka the next generation of jihadists? The women of the jihadists.

Again, throw away your preconceived moral valuations. The historical evidence is very clear. Neither Hamas nor any other Islamic nation can be prevented from attacking the west, particularly Israel, if you allow them to continually target your non-combatants while you refuse to target theirs.



You're a fool. How do you ignore the reality of warfare then claim you should be paid attention to in a discussion about a war?

Quote (FantasyWorldII @ 21 Feb 2024 20:27)

Ok I repeat: civilians being targeted is an act of terrorism. This goes both ways. Simple :bonk:
Aha 90% conversion rate? Where did you get this number from? Enlighten us.

You heard it here first folks: "International Law isn't really a thing" :rofl:

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 22 Feb 2024 14:33)

Hamas are not "terrorists". Hamas are the legitimate government of Gaza. The October 7th invasion was an act of war, during a ceasefire no less. The terms of war were set by the government of Gaza.

Your attempt to reclass a nation's government as "terrorists" in order to protect the non-combatant infrastructure and prevent the soon-to-be-conscripts into that war is both transparent, and self-defeating, from the perspective of the Israelis.

If you wish to have an honest discussion, where you provide the reasoning behind your support for the Jihadists, feel free. I have a very clear understanding of the pespective of the Israelis. I have a relatively clear understanding of the perspective of the Gazans. YOUR perspective however, seems much less clear.

And international law has never been a thing. When the US's trade embargos against Iraq led to the poisoning of major water supplies and thousands of children died, did you see Clinton or W. Bush brought before some international jury? "International Law" is nothing more than an attempt to set "civilized" restrictions on the terms of engagement. The moment one side alters those terms of engagement by conducting actions that violated that "gentleman's agreement" the exact same is fair game for the other side. That's how the world works.

Quote (FantasyWorldII @ 21 Feb 2024 20:39)

Ok you think im supporting Jihadists when I say "civilians should not be targeted"? :rofl:
Explain. Make it very very detailed please