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It was my original argument fucknuts


your original argument is still off by a factor of more than 3.

weaving in between stats, math, exaggeration, implication, and whatever you're smoking is a good way to illustrate ur IQ tho.
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your original argument is still off by a factor of more than 3.

weaving in between stats, math, exaggeration, implication, and whatever you're smoking is a good way to illustrate ur IQ tho.


My public policy ideas work and yours don't. Its hard to justify past that simply fact.
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My public policy ideas work and yours don't. Its hard to justify past that simply fact.


your public policy ideas work in the short term to clear a street for a parade, and perpetuate problems you then go on to bitch about and use to justify your biases.

my public policy ideas have never been tried in america.

just more bullshit from the guy with the biggest gap between perceived and actual IQ in pard.
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May 12 2021 09:54am
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your public policy ideas work in the short term to clear a street for a parade, and perpetuate problems you then go on to bitch about and use to justify your biases.

my public policy ideas have never been tried in america.

just more bullshit from the guy with the biggest gap between perceived and actual IQ in pard.


This problem didn't exist in America for 200 years and then it started happening.

Which ideas do you want to try?
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This problem didn't exist in America for 200 years and then it started happening.

Which ideas do you want to try?


first thing id do is open up community gardening and farming projects on decrepit lots and do away with the zoning issues on publicly owned lots the city cant clean up. basically fix red tape to bring business into the ghetto. day 1, before i even touch police, education, or corrections.
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first thing id do is open up community gardening and farming projects on decrepit lots and do away with the zoning issues on publicly owned lots the city cant clean up. basically fix red tape to bring business into the ghetto. day 1, before i even touch police, education, or corrections.


Ben Carson did this with opportunity zones under Trump.

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2020/10/opportunity-zones-are-lifting-ohioans-out-of-poverty-including-in-cleveland-ben-carson.html
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May 12 2021 10:13am
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i thought my ideas didnt work, tho.

in most areas, ohio not withstanding, state and city ordinance laws still cripple that initiative. i'd take it a lot farther.
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May 12 2021 10:37am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 12 2021 09:38am)
"Police do not kill blacks at a disproportionate rate." IS A LIE. plain and simple.

there's may be justifications for the disproportionate rate, but the rate exists. plain and simple.

also, people pointing out violent crime rates, poverty, and other justifications for the rate strawmans reform proponents into thinking "just fix police killing us and that's it". reformers want to address underlying causes, from poverty, to drug addiction in poor communities, to racial biases, to housing issues leading to homelessness, etc etc etc.


Imagine if blacks made up 5% of arrests, and represented 13% of deaths. Would you say that their death rate is "proportional", even though they were more than twice as likely to die per encounter? That makes absolutely no sense. It's just an incorrect way of looking at the situation.

Blacks are killed proportional to their share of overall arrests. They live in high-crime neighborhoods. They make up a disproportionate share of murder victims, and most murders are intraracial.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

We should ask why American police kill so many people (comparatively) and seek to reduce it via reform. But it is clearly not driven by racial prejudice among police.
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Quote (bogie160 @ May 12 2021 11:37am)
Imagine if blacks made up 5% of arrests, and represented 13% of deaths. Would you say that their death rate is "proportional", even though they were more than twice as likely to die per encounter?


Normalizing by encounter is garbage methodology when we have an insane wealth of data showing that black people are actively targeted for encounters regardless of if they've done anything to warrant the encounter.
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