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Feb 21 2024 09:03am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Feb 2024 23:08)
Okay, but we're talking about the short-term here, about the current conflict - and in this conflict, the goals of Hamas and Iran are mostly identical.


No they are parallel not identical.
But it doesnt matter they know they cant keep up with us
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 21 Feb 2024 04:08)
To be clear, I don't believe the Turks would invade, that's not their style. They may fancy themselves as in the best position to rebuild and lead the Caliphate, but that's not really a thing.

What I would have greater expectation of is that they do what they've been doing for the last decade. Israel pisses them off? They open the floodgates and suddenly you have 10 million additional fighting aged males volunteering on behalf of the enemy of their enemy.

My primary thought regarding the Saudis is that as the spiritual center of Islam, would they be willing to sit back and do nothing as Iran, who claim to be the TRUE spiritual center, wages holy war against the hated Jewish infidel?

Some of the theocratic struggle in the region, to my mind, may force disparate and often at-odds portions of the Islamic world to band together. Doesn't mean they'd win, but it would severely increase the pressure on Israel, no?


It wont increase the pressure on Israel because they are dictatorships.
And they cant fight us
When I studied about modern warfare and dictatorship regimes.
They always had one unsolvable problem.
They cant give their Armies green light to move forward they must control every decision because if the Army will have free hand they might severe their regime.
So every order every decision is made upstairs.
Democracies are not like this they just tell their armies the objective and they build a plan, if they encounter an issue they have room to decide by themselves.
In Arab armies once you take the head off they are down.

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Quote (Many_Names @ 21 Feb 2024 08:09)
It wont increase the pressure on Israel because they are dictatorships.
And they cant fight us
When I studied about modern warfare and dictatorship regimes.
They always had one unsolvable problem.
They cant give their Armies green light to move forward they must control every decision because if the Army will have free hand they might severe their regime.
So every order every decision is made upstairs.
Democracies are not like this they just tell their armies the objective and they build a plan, if they encounter an issue they have room to decide by themselves.
In Arab armies once you take the head off they are down.


That's a very bold claim. How's it been working with Hamas? Hezbollah? The PA?

Seems to me every time Israel or the US, either one, takes down a head, 5 more sprout, and they're all meaner and more extreme than the prior.

Perhaps you've been reading different history books than I have.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 21 2024 05:29pm)
That's a very bold claim. How's it been working with Hamas? Hezbollah? The PA?

Seems to me every time Israel or the US, either one, takes down a head, 5 more sprout, and they're all meaner and more extreme than the prior.

Perhaps you've been reading different history books than I have.


What is meaner and more extreme than Hamas ?
There is a threat, Israel has to deal with it. Since they won’t surrender voluntarily it is only natural that the other option is to take them down.
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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Feb 21 2024 12:57pm)
What is meaner and more extreme than Hamas ?
There is a threat, Israel has to deal with it. Since they won’t surrender voluntarily it is only natural that the other option is to take them down.


Hamas 2.0, which will come around about 10 years from now.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 22 Feb 2024 01:22)
No. Your constant emotional appeals, moralizing, and attempts to personalize international conflicts is melting your brain. Get a grip.


Well that's what you said. You cant be a terrorist and not be a terrorist :bonk:
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Quote (Many_Names @ Feb 21 2024 10:02am)

And I am not going back on 400 pages thread to find you assumptions


I humbly accept your concession
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Feb 21 2024 05:45pm
We should give hamas nukes.
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Quote (FantasyWorldII @ 21 Feb 2024 15:46)
Well that's what you said. You cant be a terrorist and not be a terrorist :bonk:


No. Your insistence that non-combatants are not to be targeted is silly and stupid. Non-combatants supply the war effort and provide conscripts for combatants at need. That is war. That has been war for all of human history.

Nowhere did I say I believe I'm a terrorist. I said some people believe that any nation committing war against another nation is a terrorist, due to the inevitable targeting of non-combatants and so-called non-military infrastructure. People like YOU. And people like YOU are completely moronic.

Tell me, when the Gazans target "civilians" in Israel specifically and rape and murder their children, then hide behind their own children and store weapons caches under the schools of their children, why are the children of Hamas to be protected? Why are you going to sacrifice your own children so that the children of your enemy can grow strong enough to become your enemy in turn?

Depersonalize ALL of that shit. Think in logical terms. All of your emotion a "civility" makes you weak. Islam PREYS on your weakness and always has. They specifically target non-combatants, including children. Not to spread terror. To force their enemies to submit. Because only killing soldiers never brings it home to the people who command and support the soldiers, "You're in danger too."

BTW, you realize soldiers are humans as well? It's weird how it's "just fine" for soldiers to die, to your mind. That the women and children of soldiers suffer due to their deaths? All part of the plan, right? But then when the women, children, elderly, and industrious who supply those soldiers die? OMG! End of the world!

Chump.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ 21 Feb 2024 11:57)
What is meaner and more extreme than Hamas ?
There is a threat, Israel has to deal with it. Since they won’t surrender voluntarily it is only natural that the other option is to take them down.


Lot of people are meaner and more extreme than Hamas. You should look into what's been going on in Libya, for instance. Hell, even a lot of the shit out of the Donbas.

To their credit, Israel takes the threat seriously, and has finally started to realize that they will never win a war of optics aka propaganda. Because Islam has somewhere between 1/4 and 1/8th the population of the world under it's wing, and they will justify the torture and murder of Israeli children, while gaining massive support in labeling Israel the aggressor for even incidental death of their own children.
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Lmao dude really arguing women and children are legit targets because "Muslims bad"
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