At a single event? Fuck off with your false equivalence.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

what a brazen lie.

2020: blacks killed by police = 241 (24% of all killings)

2020: whites killed by police = 457 (45% of all killings)

in 2020 per the census whites = 76% by population, blacks = 13%.

according to a 7th grader who was just introduced to what statistics are in math class this means blacks are killed at nearly double their rate by population, while whites are underrepresented. he had to explain what underrepresented meant to me, im just an idiot who cant read basic stats and goes on to say stupid things based on that.

Read both links he provided. The first shows police killing white vs black people at a 2:1 ratio, the second link shows violent crime being committed by white/black people at roughly a 2:1 ratio.

That blacks commit violent crime at a disproportionate rate can be traced back to poverty, discrimination, you name it - but that's not something the police can take into account during a concrete situation. They have to respond to the (violent) crime that is taking place, and normalized for the rate of violent crime, blacks are indeed not getting shot to death by the police at a disproportionate rate.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 12 2021 07:23am

"Police do not kill blacks at a disproportionate rate." IS A LIE. plain and simple.

there's may be justifications for the disproportionate rate, but the rate exists. plain and simple.

also, people pointing out violent crime rates, poverty, and other justifications for the rate strawmans reform proponents into thinking "just fix police killing us and that's it". reformers want to address underlying causes, from poverty, to drug addiction in poor communities, to racial biases, to housing issues leading to homelessness, etc etc etc.

No, the key misunderstanding lies in the differing definition or idea that people have of "disproportionate". In the specific case right here, it's blatantly obvious that an assessment of police behavior has to be normalized for crime rates.
If one group commits more crime per capita than another, then the prior obviously has to be that this group will also have (per capita) more (deadly) interactions with the police.



These reformers are getting strawmanned by their own camp when you have radical BLM activists writing NYT op-eds titled "yes, we literally mean defund the police". Similarly, lots of BLM folks and their supporters are indeed claiming that the police is systematically gunning down blacks out of racist motives all across the country - this notion is not a right-wing strawman. And it's not supported by macro-level statistics either.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 12 2021 08:22am

You're not worth taking seriously.

Blacks murder ten times as many cops.

disproportionate implies objective statistics, then people heap on subjective ideas to justify the disproportionate by population outcomes. we see it in pard every day, single mothers, drug addiction being used to justify a homicide, "violent crime" lump statistics, etc.

be objective, or state your subjective opinions. appeals to both is hacky, and on topics we've done 500x in pard its even worse.

bogie this week: "ive never even heard repubs talk about qanon", "let me address the loonie fringe of BLM" bogie also, apparently. what a farce.



https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2020

no they dont u fucking liar.

362 deaths in 2020, 234 by covid 19.

45 by gunfire, 1 by assault, 13 vehicular assault.

241 blacks killed by cops, 59 cops killed by ?????????

try reading a book without pictures so u can keep up.

Q.e.d.

It is your personal opinion, not an irrefutable fact, that proportionate/disproportionate should be understood as referring to a 'by population'-comparison, rather than a 'by relevant benchmark X'-basis. (Here, X = cases of violent crime.)


The bottom line is really simple: statistics show blacks to be shot to death at a rate roughly in line with what we must expect, given the black crime rate. Hence, the BLM movement has racialized an issue which should not be viewed through the lens of race (police violence, lack of training and accountability) and created a distraction from the actual key question where race does indeed come into play ("what are the structural reasons for the disproportionate poverty and crime in black communities; and how can we fix it").

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 12 2021 08:48am

Its not murder if the black is holding a gun.

The math here is 9 blacks were killed unfairly while 45 officers were murdered by the bleeps and bleep culture.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on May 12 2021 08:49am