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Feb 20 2024 02:46pm
Quote (Many_Names @ 20 Feb 2024 20:28)
Proxy is not a computer game its people and shia muslims hate sunni muslims so to think they will help them is simply wrong.
Specially not facing Israel


Isn't Hamas Sunni, yet supported by Iran?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Feb 2024 22:46)
Isn't Hamas Sunni, yet supported by Iran?


Supported to promote their agenda once hamas agenda and Iran agenda clash Iran wont support them, they will throw and have thrown them under the bus.
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Quote (Many_Names @ 20 Feb 2024 21:53)
Supported to promote their agenda once hamas agenda and Iran agenda clash Iran wont support them, they will throw and have thrown them under the bus.


Okay, but we're talking about the short-term here, about the current conflict - and in this conflict, the goals of Hamas and Iran are mostly identical.
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Quote (Many_Names @ Feb 20 2024 02:30pm)
It doesnt matter that you are “pro israel” you were simply wrong in every assumption you made so far.


Tell me the assumptions I made that you have proven wrong.
Go on ill wait.

"War with Hezbollah will be a walk in the park"
Then why haven't you invaded yet? It's OK I'll answer this for you:


https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/r1mxkbria#autoplay


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Quote (zorzin @ 20 Feb 2024 12:20)
The Saudis won't do anything besides demanding a two state solution and turkey would suspend trade with israel but none of them will intervene military.

The big worry is what's happening in syria/iraq. The irgc proxies are running wild; bombing American bases every other day. If syria/iraq falls, then iran has a direct land route to supply hezb.

Another issue is the displaced Palestinians in jordan/Lebanon. There's enough of them that if Israel invaded Lebanon they might be bold enough to try attacking from the west bank/Jordan.

The sunni leadership is bought and paid for but some of the million man marches in turkey prove that it's a very difficult situation and the people may actually revolt if Israel goes ham in rafah (still unlikely though)

All I can say is that if a war breaks out in the north, the Israeli air force better show the world that Israel is still capable of threat deterrence


To be clear, I don't believe the Turks would invade, that's not their style. They may fancy themselves as in the best position to rebuild and lead the Caliphate, but that's not really a thing.

What I would have greater expectation of is that they do what they've been doing for the last decade. Israel pisses them off? They open the floodgates and suddenly you have 10 million additional fighting aged males volunteering on behalf of the enemy of their enemy.

My primary thought regarding the Saudis is that as the spiritual center of Islam, would they be willing to sit back and do nothing as Iran, who claim to be the TRUE spiritual center, wages holy war against the hated Jewish infidel?

Some of the theocratic struggle in the region, to my mind, may force disparate and often at-odds portions of the Islamic world to band together. Doesn't mean they'd win, but it would severely increase the pressure on Israel, no?
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To be clear, I don't believe the Turks would invade, that's not their style. They may fancy themselves as in the best position to rebuild and lead the Caliphate, but that's not really a thing.

What I would have greater expectation of is that they do what they've been doing for the last decade. Israel pisses them off? They open the floodgates and suddenly you have 10 million additional fighting aged males volunteering on behalf of the enemy of their enemy.

My primary thought regarding the Saudis is that as the spiritual center of Islam, would they be willing to sit back and do nothing as Iran, who claim to be the TRUE spiritual center, wages holy war against the hated Jewish infidel?

Some of the theocratic struggle in the region, to my mind, may force disparate and often at-odds portions of the Islamic world to band together. Doesn't mean they'd win, but it would severely increase the pressure on Israel, no?


You're definitely right about the turks.
The sauds can go either way but I'm sure they are aware of iran gaining massive influence.

You bring up a great point at the end: the unification of Islam

This is a point that totally Flys over pards head but it's extremely important. The best strategy Israel has is pitting sunnis against shias. This whole Gaza episode has become a rallying cry for Muslims and if they unify it will be disastrous. Iran seems to be the big winner in all of this so far, they've been given free reign to supply israels enemies with virtually no consequences.
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Quote (zorzin @ 20 Feb 2024 19:55)
You're definitely right about the turks.
The sauds can go either way but I'm sure they are aware of iran gaining massive influence.

You bring up a great point at the end: the unification of Islam

This is a point that totally Flys over pards head but it's extremely important. The best strategy Israel has is pitting sunnis against shias. This whole Gaza episode has become a rallying cry for Muslims and if they unify it will be disastrous. Iran seems to be the big winner in all of this so far, they've been given free reign to supply israels enemies with virtually no consequences.


The shadow of the Ottoman Empire aka "Great Caliphate" still hangs heavy over the region. And it was vicious and effective.

I tend to think any action taken by Israel against the fractured former-caliphate states may turn out quite badly. Unless they receive US-led UN support.

Just my thought, but somehow a lot of people have forgotten that Islam typically only fights each other over the minutiae of interpretations and who said what and who should have really led what when there is no non-Muslim enemy fucking around.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 21 Feb 2024 00:46)
There are definitely many people who view it that way, yes.



Ok so you consider yourself a terrorist for whatever reasons. Fuck terrorists :bonk:
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Quote (FantasyWorldII @ 21 Feb 2024 00:59)
Ok so you consider yourself a terrorist for whatever reasons. Fuck terrorists :bonk:


No. Your constant emotional appeals, moralizing, and attempts to personalize international conflicts is melting your brain. Get a grip.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 21 2024 08:24am
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Quote (zorzin @ 21 Feb 2024 03:30)
Tell me the assumptions I made that you have proven wrong.
Go on ill wait.

"War with Hezbollah will be a walk in the park"
Then why haven't you invaded yet? It's OK I'll answer this for you:


https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/r1mxkbria#autoplay

https://i.postimg.cc/fb8Ny6Z7/1707497559988979.jpg


Because we are not war mongers
And I am not going back on 400 pages thread to find you assumptions

You assume we have no time on day 40-50 we are at almost 5 months now.

You assumed Israel is wrapping up yet we moved in to khan yunes and obliterated Hamas there.

You said we cant go in Rafah yet here we are.

Keep it going
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