Obamacare's legs are not broke because the Medicaid expansion is still in effect and that was the most important part of the redistribution of wealth that was the Affordable Care Act. Removing the Mandate was a Pyrrhic victory because all it did was hurt hospitals and clinics and the people who take payments. We still have Universal Health Care without the Mandate because we have EMTALA and that is going nowhere. The people who are enemies of efficient national healthcare don't even understand that that is your real problem. We have Universal Health Care because hospitals have to treat people but we don't have universal health insurance so people don't have to pay for it. Since capitalism itself conditions for people to be antisocial if they're poor they're not going to pay the $30,000 bills for getting stitches. It cost $30,000 to get stitches because so many people come in and get them and don't pay their bills and everyone else has to pay for it so we jack up the prices on the health insurance reimburses the cover the rest.

Go great going lol. Real win.

I don't understand what you mean they can't touch him we just won't give him laws that he wants. Every piece of paper will just get killed in the house. Nobody wants to impeach Trump or get rid of him because he is like Bush 2 .... his vice president is basically Darth Vader and nobody wants that for president. It won't be Darth Vader making the tie-breaking vote in the Senate anymore to get s*** done either. You might not understand the ramifications of that but other users here do.

The pundits did say everybody will be happy after last night so I guess that's true.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 7 2018 06:07am

So you are considering (and supporting) that partisans judges would reject evidences, eventually released publicly ? Awesome.

yeah, this little power called executive order, which can oh-so easily be undone by the next president - little impact stuff like when Obama created DACA on an EO, but the courts didnt allow Trump to end it with an EO of his own?

DACA is an example that administrative decisions can have a huge impact even if they are not written into law by going through congress, and also an example that it can be less-than-trivial for the succeeding president to undo them.


and, I mean... it's not like Trump and the GOP were doing a lot with their unified control of congress anyway... holding the house while having a 55-45 lead in the senate would have been HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE, but this scenario wasnt really realistic anyway.

Not at all. I'm considering judges that aren't liberal patsies. Ya know, the kind we've been dealing with for 2 years now.

I mostly agree, but the real story imho lies on the state level. The democrats made significant inroads in most state legislatures, broke a ton of republican trifectas and gained some trifectas of their own. with the 2020 census and redistricting coming up, this could have a lasting impact for the decade to come.

And the ballot initiative granting felons who served their time their votings rights in Florida could also be huge - there are about 1 million people affected by this, and most of them are from democratic-leaning demographics. Even if turnout among those "re-enfranchised" people is low, this could add a net of about 100-200k votes to Democrats in statewide elections. In a state as close as Florida, this could have gigantic effects going forward. Had this amendment been in place since 2016, Trump might very well have lost Florida, and DeSantis and Scott would almost surely have lost tonight.

Very constructive

I mean, at my age, it's hard to amaze me. But the spate of suits (allowed by liberal judges) against Trump has been nothing short of ludicrous. 95% of them were shot down by the Supreme Court ofc, but they should have never been brought in the first place. In some cases, the judges that DID allowed them, should be removed from the bench.

I especially liked the one by an Arizona judge, forcing the govt. to immediately reunite illegal immigrant children with their supposed parents, w/o DNA tests, which were too.... slow. :/

Ruled on a Thursday, the govt. was instructed to reunite 2500 families by the following Tuesday. Not only impossible, but a showing of severe partisanship by that judge.



You make a lot of claims of outrages... too bad you don't take the time to be even partially realistic.

You are the one claiming that Trump is untouchable because of the judges he chose.... Welcome

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Nov 7 2018 06:33am

No, I claimed he was pretty much untouchable because the Dems only control the House. The trials are conducted by the Senate.


/e Post #908, in case you care for accuracy at all.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 7 2018 06:55am

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