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Feb 19 2024 09:38am
Quote (zorzin @ Feb 19 2024 03:19pm)
Ya I got it on the back of a cereal box.

Israel already went scorched earth; dropping over 70 000 tons of explosives and leveling the entirety of Gaza, so basically they already got nuked thrice. There would have been other methods that would have worked if the goal was to defeat hamas but as one can clearly see, this has always been about pushing gazans into the Sinai. Why else do you think Israel has let hezb fuck up the north? It's cause it doesn't want to open up a two front war. I'll await your response my fellow armchair general


Happy reading
https://www.wsj.com/articles/israels-untold-gaza-progress-hamas-war-4bc62196

Your interpretation of the situation is wrong, imo.
Jumping into conclusion based on nothing but your own “common sense” is not the correct way building an argument.
No one wants to punish the Gazans. But it so happened to be that a lot of them are damn Hamas supporters. Some of them even participated in 10/7 and held hostages at their house..
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Feb 19 2024 10:41am
The article only reinforces my thinking. Hamas being defeated is a foregone conclusion at this point, it's just a matter of when. I still believe that the events going down in the ME (mainly Iran supplying the weapons trying to kill you) are more important to Israeli security than anything happening in Gaza. Hezbollah has been destroying major Israeli military sites in the north for too long and some point the focus has to shift to defeating hezb and the Tehran pipeline.

This situation has expanded to mote than just Gaza but most pardinians can't put two and two together (not you or many names)
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Feb 19 2024 02:25pm
Quote (zorzin @ 19 Feb 2024 06:19)
Ya I got it on the back of a cereal box.

Israel already went scorched earth; dropping over 70 000 tons of explosives and leveling the entirety of Gaza, so basically they already got nuked thrice. There would have been other methods that would have worked if the goal was to defeat hamas but as one can clearly see, this has always been about pushing gazans into the Sinai. Why else do you think Israel has let hezb fuck up the north? It's cause it doesn't want to open up a two front war. I'll await your response my fellow armchair general


No. Carpet bombing is not effective against tunnels. If it were, both Korea and Vietnam would have been easy.

Nukes would destroy the tunnel system. As I said, your understanding of military strategy is not the best. That's not an insult. Just pointing out why your unreasonable expectations are unreasonable.
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Feb 19 2024 03:05pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 19 2024 03:25pm)
No. Carpet bombing is not effective against tunnels. If it were, both Korea and Vietnam would have been easy.

Nukes would destroy the tunnel system. As I said, your understanding of military strategy is not the best. That's not an insult. Just pointing out why your unreasonable expectations are unreasonable.


So your argument is that the only way to beat hamas in two weeks is to nuke Gaza? I also never said that carpet bombing was a viable strategy. You do realize that the tunnels span the entirety of Gaza right? One nuke wouldn't be enough.
I'm not saying that the idf could dismantle the tunnel system in two weeks but I am surprised about the overall length of this operation, it's almost month 5 and hamas is still at it.

So to keep this going: how do you think the idf should finish Gaza and start the Lebanon affair? This is the obvious next phase of the war so I'm interested to hear your thoughts
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Feb 19 2024 03:26pm
Quote (zorzin @ 19 Feb 2024 14:05)
So your argument is that the only way to beat hamas in two weeks is to nuke Gaza? I also never said that carpet bombing was a viable strategy. You do realize that the tunnels span the entirety of Gaza right? One nuke wouldn't be enough.
I'm not saying that the idf could dismantle the tunnel system in two weeks but I am surprised about the overall length of this operation, it's almost month 5 and hamas is still at it.

So to keep this going: how do you think the idf should finish Gaza and start the Lebanon affair? This is the obvious next phase of the war so I'm interested to hear your thoughts


That was my point, yes. If it weren't for the tunnel system, carpet bombing would have been enough. But with the tunnels, it's either Nukes or MOABs or a combination of the two, or a slow, painstaking clearing of the tunnels.

And the fight isn't against "Hamas" any more than war against the US would be a fight against "The Bidens". Hamas is the GOVERNMENT of Gaza. The October invasion of Israel was a full out act of war. During a ceasefire.

Israel is not waging a humanitarian effort. They're trying to wipe out all militant elements of the entire Gazan society. That takes a fucking second, do you understand?

Edit: Talking Hezbollah? That's a slow burner. Hamas is more immediate. But Israel is prepared for an all-sided war. They've fought them in the past. They're good at it. I'm not worried about them at all.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 19 2024 03:27pm
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That was my point, yes. If it weren't for the tunnel system, carpet bombing would have been enough. But with the tunnels, it's either Nukes or MOABs or a combination of the two, or a slow, painstaking clearing of the tunnels.

And the fight isn't against "Hamas" any more than war against the US would be a fight against "The Bidens". Hamas is the GOVERNMENT of Gaza. The October invasion of Israel was a full out act of war. During a ceasefire.

Israel is not waging a humanitarian effort. They're trying to wipe out all militant elements of the entire Gazan society. That takes a fucking second, do you understand?

Edit: Talking Hezbollah? That's a slow burner. Hamas is more immediate. But Israel is prepared for an all-sided war. They've fought them in the past. They're good at it. I'm not worried about them at all.


Lol'd at moabs and still laughing at the using Nukes for special tunnel operation.

The fight isn't against hamas, you are correct. The fight is against the deadly assault women and children, this is why Israel has killed them.

It doesn't take 5 fucking months to quell a prison riot my friend. These guys have aks, rpg7s and a handful of mines and snipers. 5 months later and and no one can argue with me that hamas' domestic production of rpgs has been diminished in anyway (this will change in rafah)

Your edit proves to me that you don't know how bad northern Galilee has been affected from hezbollah. Hezbollah and Yemen have done infinitely more damage to israel than hamas. There's a reason why Israel's economy just took a 20% hit. The pipeline of Iranian smuggled atgms into Lebanon has been more of a threat to israel since day 1 of special tunnel operation

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Feb 19 2024 07:08pm
I feel like everyone has gone mad.

No matter what, 10k kids are dead... Yooooo 10 000 kids. This massacre needs to end. No-one wins here.

The way it is advertised is that a ceasefire is the end of Israel... This hamas people with their fire crackers got nothing! Absolutely nada. Everyone knows and people still act like its a war. I am sure there is a better way to get rid of Hamas. So insane that his is happening in 2024.


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Feb 19 2024 10:21pm
Quote (FantasyWorldII @ 19 Feb 2024 18:08)
I feel like everyone has gone mad.

No matter what, 10k kids are dead... Yooooo 10 000 kids. This massacre needs to end. No-one wins here.

The way it is advertised is that a ceasefire is the end of Israel... This hamas people with their fire crackers got nothing! Absolutely nada. Everyone knows and people still act like its a war. I am sure there is a better way to get rid of Hamas. So insane that his is happening in 2024.


I don't care if the children of Jihadists die. Why do you?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 20 Feb 2024 15:21)
I don't care if the children of Jihadists die. Why do you?


ignoranus :bonk:

Is it okay to throw your entire family to jail if you dad is criminal?
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Feb 20 2024 02:07am
Quote (zorzin @ 19 Feb 2024 15:19)
Ya I got it on the back of a cereal box.

Israel already went scorched earth; dropping over 70 000 tons of explosives and leveling the entirety of Gaza, so basically they already got nuked thrice. There would have been other methods that would have worked if the goal was to defeat hamas but as one can clearly see, this has always been about pushing gazans into the Sinai. Why else do you think Israel has let hezb fuck up the north? It's cause it doesn't want to open up a two front war. I'll await your response my fellow armchair general


Israel didnt level anything I’v been there I saw with my own eyes there are areas that are completely destroyed specially in the north But no all of it.
I can also states none of your assumptions happened

This post was edited by Many_Names on Feb 20 2024 02:09am
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